The Ukrainian air crash in Tehran was apparently due to an engine fire (per Iranian officials)...

[brooklynite]

Iranian officials said the plane’s engine had caught fire, causing the pilot to lose control. A statement initially posted on the website of the Ukrainian embassy in Iran ruled out an act of terror and said the crash had been caused by an engine malfunction. However, this was later redacted, with the embassy stating that all information would be provided by an official commission.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jan/08/iran-plane-crash-ukraine-boeing-180-tehran

Before jumping to the conclusion that "we" must have caused it as retaliation, consider that Iranian media would happily blame us if they wanted to, and they're not.

[AkFemDem]

1. Or someone got trigger happy

In Iran and hit their own plane with anti-aircraft ballistics.

[braddy]

2. It could hardly be our fault since this was no where near a confused, instant decision making kill

or be killed battlefield situation, this was at the International airport in the capitol city 100s of miles from the border.

[hlthe2b]

3. Once again, why would you accuse others of suggesting WE CAUSED IT? I've seen no one here or

ELSEWHERE suggesting that. If anything there is concern that if it were NOT mechanical that it would have been the Russians or less likely Iran, perhaps by accident.

I don't understand where you are getting that (that some are suggesting WE, i.e., US is responsible) from?

[bullwinkle428]

7. EXACTLY. I can't believe that accusation was made in the OP. I didn't

see a single thing last night even remotely suggesting that we were to blame. I certainly saw speculation (understandably) that the plane may have been struck by one of the missiles launched by Iran that had somehow flown off course and out of control.

[braddy]

8. Read the threads, there are post suggesting we might have done it, I have responded to such.

[Baclava]

4. Iran refusing to turn over black boxes? Shoot down? Iranian air defense most likely

Yeah, something was on fire alright

[Dennis Donovan]

5. IMO, an accidental shootdown by Iran is more likely that an engine failure.

Think about it. Iran just chucked missiles at the US and were on high alert, waiting for a retaliatory strike. Their AA batteries were manned... and likely anxious.

Aircraft engines do catch fire from time to time, but the vast majority make it back to the airport on one engine.

Couple this with flight tracker data that lost the aircraft at 8000'.

Iran has a motive to deny this, obviously. We won't know until an independent aviation body can investigate.

[wnylib]

6. Sounds plausible that, given the timing and

circumstances of being on high alert, Iranians might have overreacted and shot down their own plane.

WaPo reported that it went through a regular maintenance check on Monday, was only 3 years old, and was purchased new. Engine failure is still possible, of course, but so is an accidental shoot down. The region is .considered too dangerous for overflights because of that kind of risk so that the US and several other nations have halted flights in the area.

[cwydro]

9. Yes, as soon as the crash was reported it was seconds before the DU conspiracy buffs were all

over it.

[Baclava]

10. Maybe someone installed another one of them sparkplug igniters in the center fuel tank again

What missile?

[Dennis Donovan]

11. I was right...

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212851852#post5