ABC News video shows Ukrainian airliner debris strewn over large area (new info)

[Dennis Donovan]

Link to tweet

It disintegrated long before it hit the ground, FWIW.

On edit: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212853325 Iran plane crash may have been ‘shootdown event’, aviation experts say

[jberryhill]

1. "It disintegrated long before it hit the ground"

Who is reporting that it disintegrated long before it hit the ground?

This video suggests there was a fire of some kind, and a large explosion on impact:

However, historically DU has had an abundance of experts on what aircraft crash sites "should" look like.

[Dennis Donovan]

2. Look at the video - debris strewn over large area

No way it hit the ground intact, and debris flew a mile away.

[malaise]

3. Did you see the debris from the two 737 Max aircraft?

Debris also flew for miles

[Dennis Donovan]

4. Are you sure?

I didn't see that.

On edit: that airliner did disintegrate from structural failure at a high altitude. This one was only @ 8000ft.

[cwydro]

6. I think the first one went into water.

[jberryhill]

5. I am not an aircraft crash expert

...and I'd wager that you aren't either.

I was just unsure from the OP where that conclusion was coming from.

The DU 9/11 Forum archives are chock full of a number of aircraft crash experts, many of whom are unfortunately no longer with us to share their expertise.

[Dennis Donovan]

7. I'm a licensed commerical pilot. n/t

[cwydro]

13. Lol, that doesn't make you an accident investigator.

I’ve seen numerous debris fields from plane crashes.

Google can show you.

[Dennis Donovan]

14. It makes me more knowledgeable than you on the subject

[cwydro]

16. You really don't know that, do you?

If you’re a commercial pilot, you sure have a lot of free time on your hands for posting. My, oh my.

[Dennis Donovan]

17. Retired

I know one thing. I have a hard time attributing any value to your opinion due to your PA's.

[treestar]

23. Does the training for piloting include

results of crashes?

You could know how to fly the plane but that does not mean you'd know anything about the results after a crash.

[Dennis Donovan]

24. Whatever...

I was correct.

I know a great deal about aircraft - BA in Aerospace Engineering as well as my commercial ticket. I know how they're built and I know how they fall apart.

[cwydro]

8. Yeah, I haven't seen anything about disintegration before impact either.

I’ve only heard reports that it was on fire before crashing.

But of course,I ‘my not an expert like so many here.

[Dennis Donovan]

19. *cough*

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212853325 Iran plane crash may have been ‘shootdown event’, aviation experts say

[jberryhill]

20. It "may have been" lots of things

But citing to an article published after the OP doesn't mean the OP was based on any more factual information than what others say it "may have been".

At least that article flags speculation for what it is.

[Dennis Donovan]

21. It backs up my suppositions from info gathered at the time of my OP. n/t

[Dennis Donovan]

22. Breaking - Newsweek - Ukrainian plane struck by and anti-aircraft missile system

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212856240

[onenote]

15. historically, DU has had an abundance of experts on almost everything

it gets pretty silly here, sometimes.

[ecstatic]

9. It seems like it was shot down, but by who?

At first, I was thinking the US or Russia was responsible, but now I think Iran accidentally struck it down. If not, why are they being so hush hush about this?

[Dennis Donovan]

10. If shot down, likely Iran

They had all their AA batteries manned and on the lookout for a US response (meaning they were likely anxious).

[icymist]

18. If Iran had accidentally shoot this plane down the media would not have such access.

And both 737 Max crashes had huge impact craters. Something else happened here. I'm willing to wait for an investigation to conclude.

[WhiteTara]

11. I'd like to know who was on that plane

and why was Vlad in town? Was that connected?

[Dennis Donovan]

12. Putin was in Damascus yesterday, and Ankara today. Definitely in the neighborhood

*If* it was a shootdown, it was likely accidental by Iran AAA, IMO.