Why do pundits always fail to emphasize that the money that Obama released

[mfcorey1]

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was Iran's money being held by the United States? GOP and heir drumpf always make it seem that money our money was given to them.

[Dennis Donovan]

1. That would require a google search - they're way too busy on air bloviating to do so. n/t

[LiberalLovinLug]

27. lol

Its funny because its true

[guillaumeb]

2. Recommended.

The media also ignores Trump's constant barrage of lies, presenting these lies as simply another version of the truth.

[Sherman A1]

3. Well, Thankfully

He found a way to blame Obama. It would have been a really poor showing and inconsistent on his part had he failed to do so.......

[Wellstone ruled]

4. Failure of the fourth estate

to fact check and due their investigative Journalism. Remember,the Media wants conflict,it sells soap and Pharma products that will kill you.

[True Blue American]

5. They did correct

That on MSNBC. By a foreign expert, not Chris Mathews who is dumb as a post. No expert.

[Doodley]

6. You would be hard pushed not to find a GOPer who didn't believe that.

[gopiscrap]

7. exactly

[PA Democrat]

8. OMG. Andrea Mitchell just addressed this very issue.

I actually learned something I didn't know. In addition to releasing their frozen funds, they received a refund of payment made for equipment that was never delivered to them.

[maxsolomon]

9. So then... the OP was incorrect?

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The "MSM" actually did what they complained they didn't?

The purpose of a Gish Gallop is to make others waste their time refuting it. There isn't enough time to refute every lie and distortion. The Iran Nuclear Deal was complicated. Trump is too dumb to understand its benefits also come with costs, which all parties to it weighed as worth it.

Trump is smart enough to turn it into a binary opposition ("worst deal ever", "the black guy's fault" ) which even his slack-jawed voters can understand.

[erpowers]

22. The OP Is Not Completely Wrong

From what I can tell neither CBS nor ABC told their viewers that President Obama had only given Iran money that belonged to Iran. I was flipping between the channels to see if anyone on either channel would address the issue. I did not see anyone on either channel address the issue.

[maxsolomon]

25. As I said, there's not enough time to refute every lie and half-truth.

1. They believe their audience would get bored.
2. They've got pharmaceuticals to sell.

[mfcorey1]

13. Yahoo! It's about time!

[Cartoonist]

10. I pointed that out to a Trumper

I saw in his eyes that it was the first time he ever heard it.

[JHB]

11. That's because FOX and other RW outlets act as if Obama sent pallets of money...

I suppose they need to recycle footage of the cash pallets Bush sent to Iraq... the accounting for which was handled about as well as everything else Bush handled in Iraq.

[duforsure]

12. trump lies about that because he knows his supporters are

Too lazy to look it up, too stupid to understand what really happened, and are racists who'll accept any put down he uses against Obama. He takes advantage of them for votes, and support, and plays them for fools, which many of them are not.

[TheFarseer]

14. My right wing relatives when confronted with this fact

Insisted the money was delivered to them in suitcases. I’m not sure of the origin of that claim. Totally made up or an allusion to the Bush pallets of money distributed in Iraq?

[maxsolomon]

30. When my Dad pulls that shit I hand him my laptop

and say "show me where you learned that". He can't (he's 83). Then I proceed to show him all the bullshit sources and the fact-based refutations.

They're propaganda victims. Challenge their information.

[Pacifist Patriot]

15. Because Obama stealing US tax payer money and handing a pile of cash to Iran...

stokes the engines of their base. Reality means nothing to them. Went round and round about this with someone just last week.

[Pepsidog]

16. Yes my brother in law brings this nonsense up all the time.

[IronLionZion]

17. GOP makes it seem like complete falsehoods are true

they're offering alternative facts

[Fla Dem]

18. Mostly I listen to MSNBC and most commentators make that distinction. Andrea Mitchell made

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a very detailed point of it today. I'm beginning to think some of the network news and MSNBC aren't going to give Trump a pass anymore. I could be wrong, but they have been more critical and pointing out his lies.

[jayschool2013]

19. Too much time in makeup and wardrobe

Not enough time doing real journalism.

READ YOUR NEWS!

[Sucha NastyWoman]

20. I've been listening to MSNBC all day

and they have been covering this over and over, and in some detail. Several commentators including host and guests. Let’s give them credit when credit is due.

[maxsolomon]

31. Too easy to lump it all into an amorphous "MSM" that lets us down.

Binary oppositions are human nature.

[11 Bravo]

21. I'm getting tired of fucking YELLING that at the TV.

And that damned lib'rul media never seems to pick up on it.

[bobbieinok]

23. It would spoil their 'narrative'. CokieRoberts said media picks narrative and only uses that frame

[Liberal In Texas]

24. Yep, heard Deadbeat Donnie say that on the radio today

and could only groan that that lie isn't pointed out more strongly. It is one of the big RW talking points.

[BigmanPigman]

26. Ali Velshi said it on MSNBC this morning.

[Ohioboy]

28. Not only did the money belong to Iran in the first place

but it was agreed back in the early 1980s that it would be released to them. They had been fighting to get their money for over 3 decades.

[superpatriotman]

29. America doesn't do nuance

And Americans don't understand nuance.

[SunSeeker]

32. Or point out that Ronny Raygun GAVE IRAN HUNDREDS OF MISSILES.

The final outcome of the arms-for-hostages disaster was two U.S. citizens released (Reverend Benjamin Weir and Father Lawrence Jenco) and two new hostages taken (Frank Reed and Joseph Cicippio). In exchange for no net gain in released U.S. citizens, President Reagan authorized the delivery to Iran—from U.S.-supplied Israeli stockpiles—the following advanced weapons:

Aug. 20, 1985: 96 TOW missiles

Sep. 14, 1985: 408 TOW missiles

Nov. 24, 1985: 18 HAWK missiles

Feb. 18, 1986:  500 TOW missiles

Feb. 27, 1986: 500 TOW missiles

May 25, 1986: HAWK spare parts

Aug. 3, 1986: HAWK spare parts

Oct. 28, 1986: 500 TOW missiles

https://www.cfr.org/blog/revisiting-president-reagans-iran-arms-hostages-initiative

[gratuitous]

33. The Washington Post fact-checked the speech

Link through MSN.

Fact-checking Trump’s address on the Iran missile attacks
Glenn Kessler, Salvador Rizzo

President Trump’s address to the nation after Iran’s missile attacks on bases in Iraq where U.S. troops are stationed contained a number of factually dubious statements. Here’s a quick round-up.

Not a comprehensive analysis, but in an abbreviated review, Kessler and Rizzo found two Bottomless Pinocchio claims by Trump, as well as plenty of other lies.

I hate Trump's gish-gallop of lies as much as anyone, but I can't quite figure out how the media can cover him live and fact-check him in real time. The best I can think of is that they should refuse to carry Trump live, tape his remarks, then check the facts as the tape unrolls.

[erpowers]

34. Yamache Alcindor Just Did Something Similar

On PBS News Hour, Yamache Alcindor just pointed out that the money that was turned over to Iran by President Obama was money that had previously been frozen.

[Blue_true]

35. And that Courts had ordered it to be released. nt