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Why were those foreigners on the flight? who or what caused them to leave Iran? (Original Post) Demonaut Jan 2020 OP
To get to the other side. NT mahatmakanejeeves Jan 2020 #1
LOLOLOL! elleng Jan 2020 #2
Getting their asses out of Dodge Sonny Mirviss Jan 2020 #3
Who said Iran shot it down? angstlessk Jan 2020 #4
I don't believe in coincidences Sonny Mirviss Jan 2020 #6
There were 81 Iranians, many Canadians, no Americans angstlessk Jan 2020 #14
Occam's razor requires that you believe in coincidences. Loki Liesmith Jan 2020 #27
I'm guessing it was a badly aimed missile. nt tblue37 Jan 2020 #7
I'm guessing it was a perfectly aimed missile Sonny Mirviss Jan 2020 #8
Look at the video, there were no missiles Bev54 Jan 2020 #28
"And, why did Iran shoot down the civilian airliner" jberryhill Jan 2020 #32
They weren't leaving Iraq, they were leaving Iran. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2020 #5
Go easy. It's only a difference of one letter. onenote Jan 2020 #9
fixed it, thanks Demonaut Jan 2020 #12
Uh, the flight left from Tehran in Iran. MineralMan Jan 2020 #10
I fixed the op, the question is pertinent even if the crash is determined to be an accident' Demonaut Jan 2020 #13
Canadians. Visiting Iran, I suppose. MineralMan Jan 2020 #17
and Iranians attending school in Canada home for the winter break onenote Jan 2020 #23
Apparently many were Iranian students returning to Ukraine. cwydro Jan 2020 #11
They weren't necessarily going to school in Ukraine. Many were Canadian students onenote Jan 2020 #16
Ok, that makes more sense. cwydro Jan 2020 #18
We have a lot of foreign students Bev54 Jan 2020 #29
A lot of students but not necessarily students from the Ukraine. onenote Jan 2020 #15
How terrible for them. mahina Jan 2020 #26
As much as Trump wishes it was, Iran isn't isolated... brooklynite Jan 2020 #19
+1000 My son and I flew Ukraine International from Kivi to sinkingfeeling Jan 2020 #21
sounds fishy to me gopiscrap Jan 2020 #20
The fact that there were no US nationals isn't that surprising onenote Jan 2020 #22
Was it not just a regular UA flight? maxsolomon Jan 2020 #24
I mean, the impending war? Recursion Jan 2020 #25
Why are "foreigners" on an international flight? jberryhill Jan 2020 #30
I may be reading this wrong....if so whoop me AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #33
You seem to be misreading what I wrote jberryhill Jan 2020 #34
Got'cha....appreciate the clarification. AncientGeezer Jan 2020 #35
Some were British citizens HipChick Jan 2020 #31
 

Sonny Mirviss

(77 posts)
3. Getting their asses out of Dodge
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 02:04 PM
Jan 2020

Before Trump leveled the place?

My question is why were they there in the 1st place?

And, why did Iran shoot down the civilian airliner.

 

Sonny Mirviss

(77 posts)
6. I don't believe in coincidences
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 02:09 PM
Jan 2020

Occam's Razor and all that.

BTW, that wasn't a new Boeing 737 Max. and planes don't just catch fire in midair and crash.

Bev54

(10,053 posts)
28. Look at the video, there were no missiles
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 03:24 PM
Jan 2020

63 Canadians on board, do you think we are suspicious characters? Could be a bomb or something but Iran is not going to bring down a passenger airliner that just took off from their airport, in their country. They may be bad actors but they are not stupid, that is left for Trump.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
32. "And, why did Iran shoot down the civilian airliner"
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 03:44 PM
Jan 2020

That's a couple of leaps.

Even among the possibilities of intentional acts, if it were shot down, who is to say that there were not others with assets inside Iran who were interested in there not being any large planes taking off at around that time?

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
5. They weren't leaving Iraq, they were leaving Iran.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 02:09 PM
Jan 2020

The crash occurred as the aircraft took off from the airport in Tehran. Which is in Iran.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
10. Uh, the flight left from Tehran in Iran.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 02:18 PM
Jan 2020

So, there's that, to begin with. The airline was Ukranian. Why wouldn't there be foreigners on it?

I don't think that's the pertinent question, really.

Demonaut

(8,919 posts)
13. I fixed the op, the question is pertinent even if the crash is determined to be an accident'
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 02:22 PM
Jan 2020

A pending war is good reason to leave

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
11. Apparently many were Iranian students returning to Ukraine.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 02:18 PM
Jan 2020

I didn’t know Iranians went to school there, but that was a CNN story.

I suppose the rest were traveling for all the reasons any of us travel. Shame they ended up leaving on that particular day.

onenote

(42,714 posts)
16. They weren't necessarily going to school in Ukraine. Many were Canadian students
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 02:26 PM
Jan 2020

Not a lot of airlines fly direct to Tehran, so if you're a student who travelled home to Iran for the winter semester break and were heading back to school, the flight on Ukraine air was probably the first leg of a trip that would connect to another airline in Kyiv.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
18. Ok, that makes more sense.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 02:28 PM
Jan 2020

Still, much sadness in Iran that 82 of their own citizens were killed.

Bev54

(10,053 posts)
29. We have a lot of foreign students
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 03:28 PM
Jan 2020

And we have many Iranian born citizens, I have met many. They are people just like the rest of us, many of them are highly educated and want to live in peace. It is their government that is the problem, I think you guys would understand how that feels.

onenote

(42,714 posts)
15. A lot of students but not necessarily students from the Ukraine.
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 02:23 PM
Jan 2020

Around a third of the passengers were Canadians, or more precisely, Canadian students. They included a large contingent of Iranian born students who attend college in Canada and were back in Iran for the winter break, which was ending. Air Canada doesn't fly to Iran so it is likely that these (and many others) were on the Ukraine Air flight on the way to make a connection in Kyev to get back to Canada (or to other countries that don't fly directly to Iran).

brooklynite

(94,598 posts)
19. As much as Trump wishes it was, Iran isn't isolated...
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 02:29 PM
Jan 2020

It has regular air travel to Europe and Asia, and a robust tourist and business trade.

sinkingfeeling

(51,460 posts)
21. +1000 My son and I flew Ukraine International from Kivi to
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 02:57 PM
Jan 2020

Jordan and back last year. I also was looking to take a tourist trip to Iran in 2020.

gopiscrap

(23,761 posts)
20. sounds fishy to me
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 02:39 PM
Jan 2020

that this "accident" happened exactly as the rockets were firing. In addition just found out that NO US nationals were on board

onenote

(42,714 posts)
22. The fact that there were no US nationals isn't that surprising
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 03:00 PM
Jan 2020

While it is legal for Americans to travel to Iran, it isn't easy and the number that do in any given year is pretty small.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
30. Why are "foreigners" on an international flight?
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 03:40 PM
Jan 2020

Is that really a question?

People travel in and out of Iran for all kinds of reasons. Unlike the US, much of the rest of the world is not on a war footing with them, and has not been for decades.
 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
33. I may be reading this wrong....if so whoop me
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 05:43 PM
Jan 2020

Are you saying/suggesting that foreign flyers don't come here more than any other nation on the planet?

I'd bet money more "foreigners" fly into ...Hartsfield, O'Hare, LAX than....Iran isn't in the top 50 landing zones....

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
34. You seem to be misreading what I wrote
Wed Jan 8, 2020, 05:50 PM
Jan 2020


I was responding to a post which expressed puzzlement that many "foreigners" would be on a flight between Iran and Ukraine. IMHO, the puzzlement arose from perhaps an incorrect assumption that not many persons travel to and from Iran from elsewhere.

US Citizens are not extremely likely to be on a flight from Iran to Ukraine, because very few US citizens visit Iran, compared to, say, other persons from different countries in Central Asia.

However, one would expect a mix of quite a few nationalities to be on such a flight.

You seem to have misunderstood my point that one would expect an assortment of nationalities to be on an international flight, and that it is not unusual that a number of "foreigners" (whatever that may have meant) were on this flight.
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