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https://www.newsweek.com/alabama-un-poverty-environmental-racism-743601"I think it's very uncommon in the First World. This is not a sight that one normally sees. I'd have to say that I haven't seen this," Philip Alston, the U.N.'s Special Rapporteur on extreme poverty and human rights, told Connor Sheets of AL.com earlier this week as they toured a community in Butler County where "raw sewage flows from homes through exposed PVC pipes and into open trenches and pits."
The tour through Alabama's rural communities is part of a two-week investigation by the U.N. on poverty and human rights abuses in the United States. So far, U.N. investigators have visited cities and towns in California and Alabama, and will soon travel to Puerto Rico, Washington, D.C., and West Virginia.
Of particular concern to Alston are specific poverty-related issues that have surfaced across the country in recent years, such as an outbreak of hookworm in Alabama in 2017a disease typically found in nations with substandard sanitary conditions in South Asia and sub-Saharan Africa, as reported by The Guardian.
The U.N. investigation aims to study the effects of systemic poverty in a prosperous nation like the United States.
According to the Census Bureau, nearly 41 million people in the U.S. live in poverty. That's second-highest rate of poverty among rich countries, as measured by the percentage of people earning less than half the national median income, according to Quartz.
RKP5637
(67,111 posts)LakeArenal
(28,826 posts)Five minutes ago we laughed as one of us said What do I know? Im just an ex-pat from a shithole country.
When we planned this move for years, political refugee was not one of the reasons. But now, we feel we are.
riversedge
(70,248 posts)LakeArenal
(28,826 posts)Hope you have good luck there this Nov.
We will vote absentee but have little hope our votes will be counted.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)Of course all things being relative, you may think it's cheap to live there, but then you wouldn't be there if you didn't have a little extra cash.
LakeArenal
(28,826 posts)My $5000 bluebook American car is valued at $15000. It cost $9000 to ship it here.
Food is comparable to US
Rent is a lot less than America.
Clothes are inexpensive.
People are much nicer here
We live in the mountains. Its cheaper than either coast. Weather is much nice where we are. At least we think so.
It cost 1500 to apply for residency.
democrank
(11,096 posts)area51
(11,912 posts)if we were, healthcare would be a basic human right instead of being considered a luxury.
ck4829
(35,077 posts)That improving the lot of everyone, making sure we have public goods for all, becomes SOCIALISM or something
mountain grammy
(26,626 posts)onethatcares
(16,174 posts)we spent 2.5 trillion dollars on the military according to don the con.
not like that money isn't needed for infrastructure, education, healthcare right here in the good ole U. S. of A.
OldBaldy1701E
(5,138 posts)giving billions of dollars to other countries while we have homeless, hopeless, and starving human beings right here. Face it, the days of being deluded enough to think we are 'better' than everyone else has passed for all but those who want to be deluded. (Or are making money from the delusion, of course).
Evolve Dammit
(16,743 posts)ProudMNDemocrat
(16,786 posts)Low information, lack of education, increases poverty.
Trump did say he loved the poorly educated. Has he done a rally in Alabama?
Still In Wisconsin
(4,450 posts)It's the same over here on the other side of the river from you... Trump policies are costing people income and quality education...but, JESUS!
Botany
(70,524 posts)In your state, America's Dairyland you had a loss of 10% of the total # of dairy farms in 2019
because of Trump's trade war with China but many will stay with Trump because of abortion,
guns, and the 24/7 hate talk radio/Fox/other right wing sources that they have been fed ever
since Reagan got rid of the fairness doctrine.
https://americanindependent.com/donald-trump-trade-war-wisconsin-dairy-farmers-china/
In rural/city/suburban poor areas such as Alabama, West Virginia, and other states the Jesus card is very
strong. And in those same poor areas "they" just don't let the blacks vote or have their votes counted
like White voters have their votes counted.
The Jesus/fundy vote is very strong because even though "they" can see Australia burning up in front
of their eyes their pastors tell them that global warming isn't true and they are just being shown "liberal
facts."
In N.E. Ohio the GM plant @ Lordstown was saved by Barack Obama but in 2016 you had a % of the
white male workers @ that plant vote for Trump.
But at the end of the day the GOP has to cheat to win. Even in traditional red states such as South Carolina.
S.C. is 35% African American & 11% and growing Hispanic those #s should make it really hard for republicans
to win state wide races but somehow they do.
sorry to
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)Botany
(70,524 posts)If you remember the "old fashioned voting machines*" that recorded the vote when
you pulled the lever that opened the curtain around the voting machine the exit polls
almost always matched the vote but ever since HAVA (help America vote act) and electronic
voting the exit polls have not matched the vote. In 2016 HRC won going away if the exit
polls were correct.
* Mechanical voting
questionseverything
(9,656 posts)counted openly and transparently in front of the entire precinct
paleotn
(17,931 posts)feti? Whatever. And it's not just poor whites. It's middle class, suburban whites, in hock up to their eyeballs trying to live the dream that's neither economically or environmentally sustainable. Sold the idea that they can be rich too if they will just work hard enough and let the rich have their tax cuts and regulation rollbacks. A modern version of the plow horse and the carrot. All the while the rich snicker at the dumb plebs who actually believe this is a meritocracy and not a birth lottery.
MarcA
(2,195 posts)I would add gays, immigrants and the belief in most media as reality rather than entertainment.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)the extreme poverty described here almost uniquely affects African-American communities. These people aren't Trump voters.
klook
(12,158 posts)when we see discussions about Blue states subsidizing Red states. Those Blue State dollars are usually helping minority communities trapped in the belly of the Red beast.
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)Birds of a feather.
Captain Zero
(6,811 posts)than they pay in for federal taxes ?
So someone siphons it off before it gets to any projects for these people.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)charter/magnet schools owned by private corporations (hello Betsy DeVos), tax breaks for corporations to stay in or relocate to the state, funding so State U has a first rate football team and all top of the line facilities, funding for building private prisons and to keep the state afloat by paying for the low taxes.
packman
(16,296 posts)USA,, YAH - USA,USA, USA ( and so on and so forth).
paleotn
(17,931 posts)D23MIURG23
(2,850 posts)snowybirdie
(5,230 posts)Richard Shelby and six of its seven representatives are all Republicans! That is all
keithbvadu2
(36,831 posts)Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)Nothing is all bad
ck4829
(35,077 posts)It's a glimmer of hope and it's good, what happens from there though?
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,074 posts)Alabama has 2 big time college football programs and its all most people for that state care about. The poverty in rural parts of the South is stunning in its breadth. Ive driven through it, some parts are just mile after mile of people living in literal shacks. These people are the Republican ideal for people who want to be ruled.
Evolve Dammit
(16,743 posts)Will they ever wake up?
Ilsa
(61,695 posts)paleotn
(17,931 posts)I wonder what Nick Saban tastes like with some fava beans and a nice chianti.
Other than that, they benefit...ummm.....zilch from the Crimson Tide. Particularly since the vast majority are merely sidewalk alumni.
onecaliberal
(32,866 posts)hunter
(38,319 posts)We get in our little pods and drive from nice place to nice place, avoiding the bad places, oblivious to the horrors we pass.
ck4829
(35,077 posts)Aristus
(66,409 posts)I mean, take away their free labor force, leave no one but lazy-ass white people who won't put in an honest day's work, and the state is supposed to be prosperous?
ck4829
(35,077 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,202 posts)it would be even worse!
CaptYossarian
(6,448 posts)trof
(54,256 posts)Progressive dog
(6,905 posts)The name calling adds nothing to your post and in fact might anger some Americans.
ck4829
(35,077 posts)Complaining about the tone and word choice in a post doesn't detract from the fact that the situation in Alabama is not acceptable.
Americans should be angry... over the content of this story, not over the words some DUer posted.
Progressive dog
(6,905 posts)the poorest small part of a large nation to the entirety of other nations.
paleotn
(17,931 posts)whether arrogant Americans want to believe it or not. Truth lives.
Progressive dog
(6,905 posts)oldsoftie
(12,558 posts)Some will grab onto any sliver that confirms their pre ordained beliefs.
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)The environmental degradation, especially on the Army training grounds was unbelievable. The forest looked dead.
2naSalit
(86,656 posts)Takket
(21,581 posts)will be praising drumpf over how his the Dow is!!!!!!!!!
ck4829
(35,077 posts)brokephibroke
(1,883 posts)riversedge
(70,248 posts)https://www.newsweek.com/alabama-un-poverty-environmental-racism-743601
According to the Census Bureau, nearly 41 million people in the U.S. live in poverty. That's second-highest rate of poverty among rich countries, as measured by the percentage of people earning less than half the national median income, according to Quartz.......
https://www.newsweek.com/alabama-un-poverty-environmental-racism-743601
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,790 posts)Alabama has some poverty, to be sure. However, I'd stack Alabama up against Mississippi or parts of Kentucky &/or West Virginia if we are having a competition. And I'd also ask the UN official if they've been to parts of the Midwest recently (I'm thinking about once-thriving towns like Cairo that are essentially ghost towns now), or if they've been to Native American reservations in the Northern Plains.
a la izquierda
(11,795 posts)A few years back, I brought some WV college students to Mexico. Some couldnt believe there were places in the world poorer than where they were from.
It was madness.
Puppyjive
(503 posts)Keeping people poor is a control tactic used by the GOP. This is where it starts.
brokephibroke
(1,883 posts)More CONcerned with guns and oppression of civil rights. Its a RW paradise.
KPN
(15,646 posts)and how much does the federal government spend there?
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,447 posts)When I think of Alabama.
There are some good things going on in Alabama, and some sterling people who hail from there, but, dammit....
Riddle me this: Why is Alabama in the cellar in education, yet has some pretty good college football teams?
(Note: the music is Duane Eddy's "Rebel-'Rouser". 'Nuff said.)
usaf-vet
(6,189 posts)They will see third-world behavior for sure.
MarcA
(2,195 posts)An environment not unlike many Native American reservations.
MineralMan
(146,318 posts)ansible
(1,718 posts)There's squatter's camps all over town now, the local creek is so polluted with trash and poop yet cops won't do anything about it. And the homeless are spreading too even to the side of freeways. It's horrifying, this is the sort of thing I only saw in third world countries before.
Locutusofborg
(525 posts)hence, more poverty. The highest poverty rates are in:
1 Mississippi: 20.07% (Red)
2 New Mexico: 19.61%
3 Louisiana: 18.84% (Red)
4 Kentucky: 17.39% (Red)
5 West Virginia: 17.25% (Red)
6 Arkansas: 17.06% (Red)
7 Alabama: 17.05% (Red)
8 District of Columbia: 16.00%
9 Tennessee: 15.73% (Red)
10 Arizona: 15.72% (Red)
http://worldpopulationreview.com/states/poverty-rate-by-state/
https://www.census.gov/topics/income-poverty/poverty/about.html
trof
(54,256 posts)nolabear
(41,987 posts)I was born in Alabama though I never lived there and never cared for it. It has all of the problems of MS and LA without any of the art or culture. But my mothers people were from there and they were the cotton mill poor that defined the state.
Bragg writes with poignant affection but a clear eye. The poverty, lack of education and pathway toward more, the religion and alcohol and drugs that filled the void of despair...thats what 45 preys on. You cant just bootstrap yourself up from generations of that. And the ability to be self sufficient has decreased tremendously.
Ill confess my mothers parents were horrific. She died very young so I was freed from them. Interestingly, all their grandkids did pretty well.
But I digress...the whole thing makes me quite sad.
czarjak
(11,278 posts)All I saw was houses on cinder blocks.
appalachiablue
(41,150 posts)Robert Reich (Aug. 2019).
Myrddin
(327 posts)..."Hold my beer!"
progree
(10,909 posts)Last edited Mon Jan 13, 2020, 04:14 AM - Edit history (1)
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212865569Mississippi Today https://mississippitoday.org/
To pay off fines and other debts, inmates in Mississippis little-known restitution centers must work grueling low-wage jobs, pay rent and endure strip searches.
In this world between prison and freedom, they often dont know when theyll get to go home.
By Anna Wolfe and Michelle Liu | January 9, 2020
Data analysis by Andrew Calderón, The Marshall Project
JACKSON, Miss. During her shifts at a Churchs Chicken, Annita Husband looked like the other employees. She wore the same blue and red polo shirt, greeted the same customers, and slung the same fried chicken and biscuits.
But after clocking out, Husband, a mother in her 40s, had to wait for a white van with barred windows and the seal of the Mississippi Department of Corrections on its sides. It delivered her to the Flowood Restitution Center, a motel converted into a jail surrounded by razor wire, nestled among truck stops and an outlet mall. Here, Husband slept in a room with seven other women, sharing a mirror to get ready in the mornings, enduring strip searches for contraband at night.
A judge sentenced Husband to the restitution center in 2015 to pay off almost $13,000 she owed from an embezzlement conviction in 2009. The corrections department would not release her until she earned enough money at her $7.25-an-hour part-time job to clear her debts and cover $11 a day for room and board at Flowood.
If I wasnt at work, I was in prison, Husband said.
... When we tracked down the cases of more than 200 people confined there on Jan. 1, 2019, we found that most originally got suspended sentences, meaning they did not have to go to prison.
They didnt usually owe a lot of money. Half the people living in the centers had debts of less than $3,515. One owed just $656.50. Though in arrears on fines and court fees, many didnt need to pay restitution at all at least 20 percent of them were convicted of drug possession.
But people spent an average of nearly four months and up to five years at the centers, working for private employers to earn enough to satisfy the courts. Meanwhile their costs continued to balloon, since they had to pay for room and board, transportation to their jobs, and medical care.
....
(published under Creative Commons license)
ancianita
(36,109 posts)eliminating the causes of persistent poverty. Poverty is not an inherent condition of humans. Concerted tax embezzlement at political levels is one cause. Unregulated corporate practices and "wealth management" are the other causes.
Persistent poverty is caused by persistent class war. Period.
If the U.N. doesn't think Americans have already studied their systemic problem ad nauseam, then they haven't paid attention, or they need to catch up.
If the U.N. has a new way to help, they ought to come out with it, or stop exposing a problem that the world has studied everywhere else, yet won't help the targets of their studies to solve.
Because "systemic" is a design by humans. And we now know what that system is and who those humans are. They have names.
Persistent wealth exists now because of the enablers of stealth embezzlers of any country's wealth -- the professionals, lawyers, accountants, bought legislators -- known as "the help."
A history of the European corporate "project" of development of America:
-- Nancy Isenberg's White Trash -- The 400-Year Untold History of Class In America
-- Thom Hartmann's Unequal Protection
-- Oliver Bullough's Moneyland -- The Inside Story of the Crooks and Kleptocrats Who Rule The World (recommended recently by Lawrence O'Donnell)
Corporations, if they could (and many still do), would provide "jobs" today in the same way they provided "jobs" in company towns in the Midwest, sharecropping farms in the South; meat processing plants everywhere; in extraction industries like oil, mining, fishing, clear cut logging; and in tax haven countries. Because certain countries are not tax havens; they are wealth havens, and their "freeports" are mostly where they stash their stuff while they fly around, refusing to "see" the horrors their systemic embezzlements have caused.
The four stages of impoverishing a democracy:
1. Defund (institutions, government, basics of human survival -- food, shelter, education, healthcare)
2. Deform (by stealth tax embezzlement through "reforms," incorporating the commons, extraction of landbase wealth )
3. Stigmatize (blame the victims as inherently inferior, name-call any liberal effort or thinking, exclude stereotyped groups from society, broadcast propaganda, divisive hate)
4. Privatize (banks, corporations buy up institutions, govt, military, police, all land, national park & commons)
knightmaar
(748 posts)Harper Lee was writing a critique, not a prescription.