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samnsara

(17,625 posts)
1. I am so glad I was born with the anti bullshit gene...
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:09 PM
Jan 2020

..my mom was a master at detecting bullshit (mostly coming from us as kids)...she taught me to not trust anything that looks too good, then question everything, and verify verify verify.....and even then if whats produced is not whats promised to not feel guilty when walking away.

dalton99a

(81,565 posts)
2. And a useful idiot
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:10 PM
Jan 2020

(Technically she is not an idiot - B.A. magna cum laude from Harvard, M.D. Harvard Medical School - credentials to impress the gullible)

yardwork

(61,690 posts)
3. Stein's positions match those of Vlad Putin's.
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:15 PM
Jan 2020

I don't know if she really believes all this, or if she's simply following the script she's been given by her Russian handlers.

Globally, the anti-vaccination propaganda campaign has weakened the role of the World Health Organization and other NGOs. It's part of Putin's strategy to build his empire by weakening the collaborative ties that held the world together since WWII.

dalton99a

(81,565 posts)
4. +1. Thousands of Russian accounts are used:
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:29 PM
Jan 2020
https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/04/09/in-the-united-states-russian-trolls-are-peddling-measles-disinformation-on-twitter/
How Russia Sows Confusion in the U.S. Vaccine Debate
Not content to cause political problems, Moscow’s trolls are also undermining public health.
By Katherine Kirk | April 9, 2019, 2:48 PM

In recent weeks, public health officials and state legislators have scrambled to combat new cases of measles across the United States. By April 4, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had already reported 465 cases of the disease, more than the total for all of 2018.

Measles is concerning in its own right. Aside from the discomfort it causes, in 25 percent of cases people who get measles are hospitalized. But an overlooked detail adds another layer to the threat. In the United States, measles has a surprising booster: Russian trolls and bots.

The existence of a Russian disinformation campaign that could make Americans hesitant to vaccinate their children highlights something important about the Kremlin’s information war on the United States. Moscow’s goal has never been to advantage Republicans or Democrats. Instead, it is after a far bigger prize: the exacerbation of Americans’ distrust of one another and, in turn, the erosion of their confidence in society and the U.S. government.

A recent study from David Broniatowski, a professor at George Washington University, and his co-authors found that thousands of Russian accounts used to spread disinformation had seized on anti-vaccine messaging.

After combing through nearly 2 million tweets recorded between 2014 and 2017, the researchers found that Russian troll accounts were significantly more likely to tweet about vaccination than general Twitter users. They had turned to vaccines as a wedge issue in an effort to ramp up social discord, erode trust in public health institutions, and exacerbate fear and division in the United States.

yardwork

(61,690 posts)
5. This propaganda campaign is targeting the rest of the world, too.
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:34 PM
Jan 2020

The WHO and other NGOs are being forced out of communities worldwide that desperately need health care. Their presence is replaced with anti-scientific beliefs, such as the belief that witches cause disease. Epidemics break down human societies. When people turn on one another, the collaborative social fabric is torn and it's easy for outsiders to swoop in, buying up land and taking over political leadership.

Putin is deliberating causing chaos to further his goals.

dalton99a

(81,565 posts)
9. It is supported by facts and by Putin's own admission
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:58 PM
Jan 2020

about restoring Russia's reach and influence under his leadership, through non-military and subversive strategy


Opel_Justwax

(230 posts)
8. Attacking her character is uncalled for if you disagree with her political views and positions.
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 12:58 PM
Jan 2020
ad ho·mi·nem
/ˌad ˈhämənəm/
adjective: ad hominem
(of an argument or reaction) directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
"vicious ad hominem attacks"

adverb: ad hominem
in a way that is directed against a person rather than the position they are maintaining.
"these points come from some of our best information sources, who realize they'll be attacked ad hominem"

yardwork

(61,690 posts)
10. Fuck Jill Stein. Calling her a kook is kind.
Fri Jan 17, 2020, 01:54 PM
Jan 2020

Personally, I think she's a traitor who knowingly promotes the goals of a murderer. I think Jill Stein is being paid to help Putin destroy democracies in order to enrich himself.

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