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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL 1/22/20 THREAD 2****
Thread 1 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212897293
BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)Per Turtle, at some point around the conclusion of the 2 hours , the Senate will take a break.
oasis
(49,388 posts)nolabear
(41,984 posts)I respected him before. Hes a hero to me now.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)sprinkleeninow
(20,249 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)It's a world of "autocrats and hypocrites".
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)ancianita
(36,060 posts)ecstatic
(32,705 posts)flamingdem
(39,313 posts)backtoblue
(11,343 posts)getagrip_already
(14,757 posts)He is going to need a potty break. That's a long time to speak passionately. Damn.
BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)Peregrine Took
(7,414 posts)I say no!
napi21
(45,806 posts)as Adam. If you think about it, there aren't any other Dems wh are just like Schiff either. He's really one of a kind.
BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)"What do we have - a Republic or a Monarchy? And Franklin responded a 'Republic if we can keep it'."
(the famous quote)
woodsprite
(11,916 posts)Just donated to Harrison.
BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)backtoblue
(11,343 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)hlthe2b
(102,283 posts)This is disgraceful. I hope ABC gets an earful. Oh, now NBC is going to regular coverage.
This is absolutely WRONG!
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)No worries. History cannot be allowed to interfere with advertising.
Even the kleptocracy they dream of will provide mansions for the oligarchs.
bdamomma
(63,868 posts)the Citizenry is so ignorant of what's going on, media is no help, business as usual for them.
BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)backtoblue
(11,343 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)SamKnause
(13,107 posts)Schiff and Nadler have both opened up a can of whoop ass.
Clip after clip, e-mail after e-mail.
As Dr. Hill said, "It is beyond dispute".
BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)nolabear
(41,984 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)for real!
ancianita
(36,060 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)And then Crow noted that the Managers wanted to include a break after each 2 hours so when he is done, they will ask to allow the break.
BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)(as a vet)
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)I expect Hakeem Jeffries or Val Demmings will be up (after the break) with what they argued yesterday. It's like yesterday was their "dress rehearsal" for today.
Mersky
(4,982 posts)He mentioned that the aid from the US represents about 10% of their military budget.
BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)that Congress HAD to pass legislation in order to change the stipulations and type (color) of the funds to allow it to cross fiscal years because it could not be spent or even obligated by the end of the fiscal year (where if it had not been obligated, it would be required to be returned to the Treasury).
I know working for the federal government for 30+ years, there is always the end-of-year insanity of getting funds spent and/or obligated before September 30. And I expect with this type of expenditure - with weapons systems, etc., there is a huge contracting process that could never have been completed in time.
Mersky
(4,982 posts)How conveeenient for the pResident.
Appreciated Crow folding that in to his telling of the timeline of the Ukraine assistance scheme.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)backtoblue
(11,343 posts)Gidney N Cloyd
(19,838 posts)I don't mind so much when they speak with a slanted, snarky tone, or even much if they get selective with facts, but when they outright LIE I lose my shit.
avebury
(10,952 posts)of Trump withholding the military aid. His military background gives him a lot of credibility.
BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)and was getting Roberts to agree and then Turtle decided that he wanted a "break for dinner" at 6:30 pm for 30 minutes so, looks like they will continue until 6:30 (although I expect they may still include a short break in between).
Mersky
(4,982 posts)Last edited Wed Jan 22, 2020, 07:05 PM - Edit history (1)
Whether the withholding of the aid was legal.
He also noted that the hold was for the entire $391 million.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)"Acting at the direction of the President"
Mersky
(4,982 posts)And Demings showed a text from Yermak to Volker saying that he knew that giuliani was key to getting things rolling. (this in regards to Zelensky getting a meeting with the pResident)
And further there was a clip of Dr Hills take on the drug deal - thats when asked if she went to the lawyers after Boltons comments, and she replied, I certainly did.
Mersky
(4,982 posts)That he famously testified that, Everybody was in the loop.
BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)in contrast to Kim Jong-Un of North Korea or Erdowan in Turkey.
bdamomma
(63,868 posts)thanks so much for your true dedication and work to post these threads on these 2 most important days.
I like listening to Hakeem, he's just the facts.
BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)This is history unfolding before our eyes and is extremely rare within the lifetime of the country!
Mersky
(4,982 posts)Clearly shows that he communicates that Zelensky must convince tRump that hell investigate/get to the bottom of what happened in 2016 to get that meeting with tRump. (Time stamped at 8:36 am - this was sent ahead of the perfect call)
(Ive seen this before, but it resonates now, as Volker is in the loop AND Yermak must have known this.)
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Eta: this was presented towards the last quarter of Demings section. Lol, Im lagging extra today between distractions, obligations, etc. Oh, and theres the tiredness.)
BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)"Ghouliani is not Secretary of State. He is not an ambassador or member of the diplomatic corps. Rudolph Ghouliani is a cold-blooded political operative for President Trump's re-election campaign."
Mersky
(4,982 posts)Last edited Wed Jan 22, 2020, 08:18 PM - Edit history (2)
In pursuing the removal of the corrupt Lutsenko, as was the position of this very distinguished body (motions to the senate chamber). Also related that his pursuit matched with that of the UN and IMF.
Then he went on to say it was the Ukrainian government that removed the prosecutor, not Joe Biden.
Eta: Can a fellow DUer rewind and review this section? I may have not captured this section accurately. I am currently, as Im writing this during the dinner break for the 1/22 Senate Impeachment trial, am unable to review as Im watching live streams. Its possible that he said Shokin and otherwise referred to Lutsenko. Its also possible that Im generally confused about this timeline. See comments 88, 97, and 98 for further context.
Mersky
(4,982 posts)I went back and reviewed this section. Jeffries did say Lutsenko. Also, I typed UN, but he actually said European allies.
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Am well rested today, so am hoping to track a little better, and can do a better job of posting from my written notes.
ecstatic
(32,705 posts)harm/kill Yovanovitch! This specific crime deserves a lot more attention (I haven't been watching so I don't know if someone else brought it up, but we need to keep bringing this up!).
BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)which she considered a "threat".
Mersky
(4,982 posts)Praises the corrupt prosecutor, Lutsenko, that was removed
BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)that was weird
BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)Lars39
(26,109 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)Asked Sergent of Arms to restore order in the galley!
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)only apply to Senators?
nolabear
(41,984 posts)Mersky
(4,982 posts)Mersky
(4,982 posts)Went the gavel.
Couldnt make out what they were hollering.
nolabear
(41,984 posts)You can still hear them screaming in the background!
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)Piasladic
(1,160 posts)Even if the protester is a republican, I hope they didn't hurt them.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)We shall see if the talking heads decipher it later.
BannonsLiver
(16,387 posts)Thats the only thing I could make out. Dudes got a set of lungs on him. You could hear him shouting even after he was removed.
nolabear
(41,984 posts)To just be able to whip that outNINJA skills! 😄
mobeau69
(11,145 posts)mobeau69
(11,145 posts)mobeau69
(11,145 posts)Gotta see that again.
mobeau69
(11,145 posts)I could listen to him kick ass long and long.
BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)dpibel
(2,832 posts)Jeffries referred multiple times to Lutsenko as the prosecutor at issue in the Biden claims.
It was Viktor Shokin.
Don't know what happened here. The house managers' preparation has been excellent throughout.
Am I mistaken here?
On the one hand, it's a trivial point and has nothing to do with the substance.
On the other, it's the kind of trivia that gets seized on by the kind of dishonest attorneys on the Trump side.
It's the particular burden of trial attorneys: You can't afford to make any mistakes, even small ones.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,349 posts)Trump & Giuliano had already been working to do a deal with Shokin. The Ukraine election screwed that up for them, so they wanted Zelensky to bring Shokin back. Trump called Shokin "very good" -- trumpspeak meaning for sale.
BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)Shokin had been universally considered corrupt and was finally removed after Zelensky got in. Lutsenko succeeded him and started throwing out all the phony investigations that Shokin had started.
The WH has been trying to make it appear to be the reverse with Lutsenko as being "corrupt" for refusing to investigate the Bidens and insisting that Biden had forced the removal of Shokin because of his son.
So don't accept the Drumpf version when it comes to who was prosecutor (from what I understand too, Hunter was no longer at Burisma after 2014 and Shokin wasn't even in the role as prosecutor until 2015 - 2016).
Mersky
(4,982 posts)And its possible that I misheard, or something. Im reviewing the situation, now.
Eta: So, I made comment in my post that I am questioning the accuracy of my post. Also, am unable to review, as I havent found a live stream/video that I can rewind at this time. See my comment, #67.
BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)bdamomma
(63,868 posts)those ole repigs behind Moscow Mitch flew out of their seats. Jerks.
BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)and she started talking about "the room where it happens, room where it happens".
BumRushDaShow
(129,060 posts)Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)@toddgillman
A protester just burst into the Senate gallery, Gallery 5, across chamber from the dais, yelling something like "Jesus Christ! They're trying to overturn the election!" Capitol Police instantly grabbed him and pulled him out to the hall. Yelling continued. #impeachmenttrial
6:24 PM · Jan 22, 2020·Twitter Web App
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Todd J. Gillman
@toddgillman
As security dragged out #protester, still yelling, Chief Justice Roberts banged his gavel: "The Senate will be in order. The sergeant at arms will restore order in the gallery." @RepJeffries
continued presentation. Reports the man was yelling about abortion. #ImpeachmentTrial
6:35 PM · Jan 22, 2020·Twitter Web App
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