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Truth Hurts! 12 GOP Senators Break The Rules And Walk Out ! (Original Post) UCmeNdc Jan 2020 OP
I wonder if any of those 12 Senators have a name? gratuitous Jan 2020 #1
Hey people help me DENVERPOPS Jan 2020 #53
Poor you. Duppers Jan 2020 #59
You could watch Josh Hawley and Marsha Blackburn being interviewed live on tblue37 Jan 2020 #62
💯 live love laugh Jan 2020 #66
Yes, we need names. Duppers Jan 2020 #60
See my post #62 above yours. nt tblue37 Jan 2020 #63
They can't sit bdamomma Jan 2020 #2
They should follow Dear Leader and wear Depends. milestogo Jan 2020 #21
As full of shit as they are, it wouldn't help. lastlib Jan 2020 #34
What discipline will they face for this flagrant breach of the rules? guillaumeb Jan 2020 #3
roberts won;t do a damn thing... pangaia Jan 2020 #5
Democratic Congresspersons guillaumeb Jan 2020 #6
McConnell overruled him already re the break malaise Jan 2020 #9
McConnell overruled Roberts? guillaumeb Jan 2020 #10
When Crow asked about the break malaise Jan 2020 #11
Amazing. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #12
May I correct your spelling pls? lastlib Jan 2020 #38
ROFL malaise Jan 2020 #44
Not quite FBaggins Jan 2020 #15
Thank you for that information. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #16
The senators do, with a majority vote. NYC Liberal Jan 2020 #17
Thank you as well. guillaumeb Jan 2020 #18
then who is the jury? Or isn;t there one? pangaia Jan 2020 #25
Senate is judge, jury, and (symbolic) executioner Hermit-The-Prog Jan 2020 #49
Not all trials have juries FBaggins Jan 2020 #54
Did you hear that a # of Sens wore smart watches which of course enabled them to stay on the napi21 Jan 2020 #36
I heard they had to give them up malaise Jan 2020 #46
what about bdamomma Jan 2020 #20
Can't even abide by bluestarone Jan 2020 #4
Well, if those 12 assholes were not there to hear what was being introduced, then... TruckFump Jan 2020 #7
Did the Chief Justice say anything about decorum? malaise Jan 2020 #8
yeah decorum.. both sides are equally to blame.. blechk... pangaia Jan 2020 #26
Amazing isn't it malaise Jan 2020 #27
i managed to miss that one.. as well as most of the other... pangaia Jan 2020 #29
The Senators should be required to behave like any other seated jurors. KY_EnviroGuy Jan 2020 #13
They proved bdamomma Jan 2020 #23
Exactly. WHERE was the Sergeant-at-Arms. ancianita Jan 2020 #47
Isn't bdamomma Jan 2020 #50
they shouldn't be let back in scarytomcat Jan 2020 #65
I think you may have hit on the point... Newest Reality Jan 2020 #43
Chump's SOTU is coming up, hope an organized protest walkout happens. Hassler Jan 2020 #14
Maybe they should not show up at all? Desert grandma Jan 2020 #22
Uh, guys, the Otter defense doesn't work in real life. Initech Jan 2020 #19
Door should have been locked and... RealityChik Jan 2020 #24
If they're required to be there for the whole thing MissMillie Jan 2020 #28
Names of the Senators rockfordfile Jan 2020 #30
Yes I bdamomma Jan 2020 #51
Graham and Risch were two I heard DeminPennswoods Jan 2020 #64
Maybe they all decided it was in their own best interest Doreen Jan 2020 #31
if you leave the chambers you should forfeit your vote............ Takket Jan 2020 #32
Damn straight. Did Roberts even call them out? Probably not. Evolve Dammit Jan 2020 #41
They are out of order. So who calls the Sergeant-at-Arms to keep order. McConnell? Roberts? ancianita Jan 2020 #48
Frankly, I don't think they know what to do. Uncharted (almost) waters in an info-age that the Evolve Dammit Jan 2020 #67
That should cost them the right to vote on the verdict. Flaleftist Jan 2020 #33
Exactly. They just quit. Bring in a replacement and send the idiots home to their mommies. lindysalsagal Jan 2020 #35
Try walking out if you get seated in a jury trial. lindysalsagal Jan 2020 #37
Any juror would be disqualified for skipping out C_U_L8R Jan 2020 #39
Didn't the rules say-- Bayard Jan 2020 #40
Justice Roberts is not doing his job. Duppers Jan 2020 #58
I actually can't watch the news or the Tweeter bucolic_frolic Jan 2020 #42
its ok for them (rs ) to break the rules , but hevean help a democrat. AllaN01Bear Jan 2020 #45
Jack Nicholson said it best: sandensea Jan 2020 #52
So say we all! SCVDem Jan 2020 #55
Where can I find the "rule" that says Senators cannot leave the Senate floor during the proceedings. onenote Jan 2020 #56
Kick burrowowl Jan 2020 #57
IOKIYAR. nt tblue37 Jan 2020 #61

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
1. I wonder if any of those 12 Senators have a name?
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 06:33 PM
Jan 2020

I also wonder if Chief Justice Roberts has noticed, and if he has, if he intends to do anything about it?

DENVERPOPS

(8,835 posts)
53. Hey people help me
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 08:18 PM
Jan 2020

My wife says the republicans walking out/missing is purely made up bullshit by left wing radicals just trying to stir shit up.....

Anyone have verification from other credible sources....???

tblue37

(65,391 posts)
62. You could watch Josh Hawley and Marsha Blackburn being interviewed live on
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 06:52 AM
Jan 2020

FOX during the time they were supposed to be listening to the presentation by Schiff.

bdamomma

(63,868 posts)
2. They can't sit
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 06:34 PM
Jan 2020

for a long period of time, that's why McConnell wants to derail the trial. They can't hold their urine that long. Plus they hate to do what they were elected to do. Like work.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
3. What discipline will they face for this flagrant breach of the rules?
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 06:35 PM
Jan 2020

And what will Justice Roberts do?

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
6. Democratic Congresspersons
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 06:43 PM
Jan 2020

should be reporting this on the media tonight, and putting pressure on Roberts to at least pretend to be an actual presiding Judge.

malaise

(269,022 posts)
9. McConnell overruled him already re the break
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 06:46 PM
Jan 2020

I anticipated that these dumb folks could not be separated from their smart phones for all that time.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
10. McConnell overruled Roberts?
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 06:49 PM
Jan 2020

So the Jury Foreperson overruled the Judge?

Imagine this happening anywhere ese? The GOP would be speaking of banana republics and kangaroo courts.

malaise

(269,022 posts)
11. When Crow asked about the break
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 06:53 PM
Jan 2020

given the number of ReTHUGs who had left their seats, the CJ suggested a break after Crow was finished and MoscowMitch aka Nurse Ratched said they'd be breaking at 6.30. That was fucking out of order.

FBaggins

(26,743 posts)
15. Not quite
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 07:05 PM
Jan 2020

This was clarified during the Clinton trial. The Senate is the judge... it’s inappropriate to call them the jury.

And the CJ is merely the presiding officer. That role defers to the majority leader all the time.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
16. Thank you for that information.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 07:07 PM
Jan 2020

That clarifies things.

So who rules on the admissibility of evidence and witnesses?

FBaggins

(26,743 posts)
54. Not all trials have juries
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 08:30 PM
Jan 2020

The illustrations of judge/jury/prosecutors/ grand jury/ etc. may be helpful in some ways... but they’re just as likely to confuse the conversation.

For instance... federal juries have to be unanimous in order to convict.

napi21

(45,806 posts)
36. Did you hear that a # of Sens wore smart watches which of course enabled them to stay on the
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 07:51 PM
Jan 2020

net even though they had to give up their cell phones. The think they're smart shits for getting around the regs and not getting caught.

malaise

(269,022 posts)
46. I heard they had to give them up
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 08:05 PM
Jan 2020

yesterday.
Before I retired I discovered that many students had withdrawal symptoms during examinations as they could not enter exam rooms with phones.
Some of my peers were worse than the students. I can't imagine these Senators not having access to their phones for hours.
Hopefully some will lose it completely.

bdamomma

(63,868 posts)
20. what about
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 07:12 PM
Jan 2020

disobeying the rules, to just walk out??? but should be nothing new for the party of tRump, cause they are nothing but crap.

They can't govern for shit.

TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
7. Well, if those 12 assholes were not there to hear what was being introduced, then...
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 06:43 PM
Jan 2020

...I say that they are not sufficiently informed to vote on any thing that transpired in their absence.

malaise

(269,022 posts)
27. Amazing isn't it
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 07:44 PM
Jan 2020

Anyway the best line today for total laughter was the Con saying "I'm honest".

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
13. The Senators should be required to behave like any other seated jurors.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 06:59 PM
Jan 2020

Do your damn job like the rest of us have to.

What a poor example for our youth for respecting the process of justice........

bdamomma

(63,868 posts)
23. They proved
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 07:15 PM
Jan 2020

they are NOT for the rule of law. Bastards they should be rounded up and placed behind bars.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
43. I think you may have hit on the point...
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 07:59 PM
Jan 2020

When you want to destroy a country or subvert its system, conditioning the public is all about perception, not conventions. In fact, anything you can do to dilute or break with them can be useful in the long run if you have an ulterior motive for it.

They may very well find it useful if our youth lose faith in the rule of law and checks and balances of our three branches of government. If I were trying to do what I sense they are, I would act in concert to kick out the foundations, (like Trump is doing) with collective actions that both confuse and discourage the populace while simultaneously subverting the conventions.

There is a bit of a facade about who these people are and what they are actually doing. I think the cover of darkness is that it is very easy to make certain assumptions that don't lead to the conclusions I have suggested. Those kinds of assumptions would be based on factors like a strict allegiance to our Constitutional Government and an unfailing abidance in the oath of office that they have taking.

This debacle is not another round of bipartisan business as usual, so it is a good idea to divest ourselves of that diversion as a perspective. When you see GOP party members put their allegiance to their own party first and foremost, you have a grave and serious problem before you. You are already on the road to perdition as far as Democracy is concerned. The pivotal word is allegiance and We, The People, should demand that any public servant, (whom we employ to perform the common good for the common will) stand by, abide by and have no other primary allegiance than our hallowed Constitution and all it provides an stands for. Everything else must remain secondary or they have no business holding office.

Desert grandma

(804 posts)
22. Maybe they should not show up at all?
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 07:13 PM
Jan 2020

Is is required that all congressional members attend this event? Instead of walking out, maybe show the same consideration as these Repubs are showing for this solemn event, and just not show up at all.

MissMillie

(38,559 posts)
28. If they're required to be there for the whole thing
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 07:45 PM
Jan 2020

and they're not... they're not allowed to vote on any more motions.... right?

Doreen

(11,686 posts)
31. Maybe they all decided it was in their own best interest
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 07:47 PM
Jan 2020

to get their own lawyers. Just a thought.

Takket

(21,573 posts)
32. if you leave the chambers you should forfeit your vote............
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 07:48 PM
Jan 2020

unless you are running out to use the bathroom, if you leave the chamber you are violating your oath to listen to and consider all the arguments, and you should not be allowed to vote on the trial related issues and verdict.

ancianita

(36,060 posts)
48. They are out of order. So who calls the Sergeant-at-Arms to keep order. McConnell? Roberts?
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 08:10 PM
Jan 2020

The casual indifference they show to America is despicable.

Evolve Dammit

(16,736 posts)
67. Frankly, I don't think they know what to do. Uncharted (almost) waters in an info-age that the
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 07:31 PM
Jan 2020

Founders could never have envisioned. Seems like they need a good slap on some part of their anatomy for starters?

lindysalsagal

(20,692 posts)
35. Exactly. They just quit. Bring in a replacement and send the idiots home to their mommies.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 07:50 PM
Jan 2020

IF the dems did that, the SCREAMING from the gop!!!

Bayard

(22,075 posts)
40. Didn't the rules say--
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 07:54 PM
Jan 2020

Sargent-At-Arms could be sent after members who didn't comply? Even arrest them?

Duppers

(28,125 posts)
58. Justice Roberts is not doing his job.
Thu Jan 23, 2020, 04:46 AM
Jan 2020

IF the table was turned, I wonder if he'd call the Sargent-At-Arms on Dems if they were to walk out.

bucolic_frolic

(43,173 posts)
42. I actually can't watch the news or the Tweeter
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 07:57 PM
Jan 2020

I've reached the limits of what I can endure. I know I've done my best, and will support and work with my local Democratic Party this year, but I refuse to be aggravated by the treasonous partisan rancor from McConnell and the GOP Senate. Someday we will throw them from office. It's beyond my control.

onenote

(42,704 posts)
56. Where can I find the "rule" that says Senators cannot leave the Senate floor during the proceedings.
Wed Jan 22, 2020, 09:06 PM
Jan 2020

This is what the "Decorum Guidelines" (not "rules') published jointly by McConnell and Schumer say:

"Senators should plan to be in attendance at all times during the proceedings."

"should plan" -- not "must be".

The "rule" was intentionally written, jointly, to be wishy-washy.

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