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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL 1/22/20 THREAD 3****
Thread 1 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212897293
Thread 1 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212897834
BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)monmouth4
(9,705 posts)but you have done an awesome job on these threads. Thank you again.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,346 posts)I would have missed the first hour if not for your 1st thread -- confused myself over my time zone.
MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,346 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,346 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)and it will be interesting to see her take - perhaps the history of the process.
BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)malaise
(269,004 posts)This is a very disciplined man
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,346 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)Schiff is now continuing with the timeline.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)If not the in chambers during discovery, introduction of evidence and argument, they have forfeited their rights as jurors.
BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)woodsprite
(11,915 posts)You know, to make sure nothing bad gets released from Ukraine.
BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)(I can imagine him reading books to his kids like that when they were little )
underpants
(182,807 posts)Today has been all about the Rudy. Given Rudy's want for attention he's likely to take the bait. Given his completely being out of control it could be a goldmine.
BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)(I understand that he was already under investigation - would be interesting if a grand jury ever gets empaneled for that if it isn't already)
Mersky
(4,981 posts)From the pResidents personal attorney/operative.
BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)including all the texts between the state department folks and Ghouliani.
BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)Grown2Hate
(2,012 posts)Republicans. Makes me sick.
BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)to reduce nuclear proliferation and in exchange we would ensure their border integrity (which includes the aid that we continue to give them today). And now we went back on our word and Russia invaded and took over Crimea.
Pachamama
(16,887 posts)Broken promises and leaving an ally vulnerable
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,346 posts)J u d y W o o d r u f f p o n d e r o u s l y p r o c l a i m i n g w e w i l l t a k e y o u l i v e t o t h e S e n a t e f l o o r
Should've been trying to stream it. Missed about 2 minutes for that ego trip.
BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)Talking about the environment around Ukraine that could be nothing but being under "pressure" to do our bidding.
ancianita
(36,058 posts)gademocrat7
(10,658 posts)dem4decades
(11,296 posts)We suck, our word is shit.
BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)Just those couple sentences that he dropped out there, cleared up so much about "why" our funding for Ukraine was a "U.S. interest".
MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)nolabear
(41,963 posts)I cant believe the GOP is protecting this beast.
bdamomma
(63,849 posts)Trusted again unless we the people vote like our lives depend it. We have been smeared. Putin must love this.
dem4decades
(11,296 posts)better
(884 posts)Satch59
(1,353 posts)Schiff is going day by day and placing key slides/videos in. There is no way anyone watching this can dispute the core of these charges... unless youre GOP cowards sitting there...
Man oh man...Schiff is just brilliant!!
bdamomma
(63,849 posts)How they showing this evidence all over again there it is. Schiff is so good. and he is presenting his case so well. I wish more people are tuned in our democracy is in peril
Botany
(70,508 posts)Sadly but for now the senate gop will still walk lockstep with Moscow Mitch but history
is going to be a merciless judge to these traitor supporters.
Simple choice are you gonna be pro Trump or pro America? You can't be both.
From wiki
Schiff was born in Framingham, Massachusetts, the son of Edward and Sherrill Ann (Glovsky) Schiff.[1] He was raised in a Jewish family, and moved to Danville, California, during high school.[2] He graduated from Monte Vista High School in 1978[3] and received a Bachelor of Arts in political science from Stanford University in 1982 and a Juris Doctor from Harvard Law School in 1985.[4]
After law school, Schiff served as a law clerk for Judge William Matthew Byrne Jr. of the United States District Court for the Central District of California.[5] From 1987 to 1993, he was an Assistant United States Attorney in the Office of the United States Attorney for the Central District of California.[6] While in this position, Schiff came to public attention when he prosecuted the case against Richard Miller, a former FBI agent who was convicted of spying for the Soviet Union.[7] The first trial resulted in a hung jury; the second trial resulted in a conviction that was overturned on appeal.[8] Miller was convicted in a third trial.
elleng
(130,912 posts)Totally Tunsie
(10,885 posts)Thank heavens he's on our side.
BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)crickets
(25,980 posts)It just blows the mind that they got so cocky about it that Mulvaney would say it out loud.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,346 posts)Dumbass Donnie kept the pressure on long enough for Putin to discover if there is a price that can lead to corrupting Ukraine.
BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)is aired..the Democratic Managers have done ALL this with what limited information they have been given..I will harken back to Rick Wilson's description of this admin."is like a fecal iceberg"...melting - melting...
BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)Each speaker has been walking through the entire event chronologically - so we are now nearing the current timeframe (this past fall).
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)crickets
(25,980 posts)None of this was new information, but still it's riveting listening to him lay it all out.
BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)and noted that Bolton left.
hlthe2b
(102,279 posts)elleng
(130,912 posts)and that's all for tonight.
crickets
(25,980 posts)a proper reason to classify a document." Boom, there it is.
BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)crickets
(25,980 posts)to withhold the whistleblower's complaint. The answer is obvious: no. The answer they were going to get from Barr was also obvious. Barr would be willing to claim whatever Trump wanted him to.
BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)crickets
(25,980 posts)ancianita
(36,058 posts)I've heard it in variations, but Schiff's version shows the relentless, vulgar banality and casual cruelty as "policy." A whole new way of seeing chronic corruption.
How any of the Republican senators can remain unmoved, I can't understand.
All he can do is appeal to their highest morality. "Do you want to know the whole truth, now? Do you want to know how broad this scheme was? " Only eventually? Or now? It is within your power to do so. Because the public has a right to know."
Schiff is the embodiment of politics as an art.
BlueIdaho
(13,582 posts)Fear they will be flushed out of their cushy jobs right on to their fat asses. They sold their morality the minute the registered as Republicans.
ancianita
(36,058 posts)selfish power over them.
You've nailed it. They have to face their fear and still do the right thing for the country.
BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)ancianita
(36,058 posts)Mersky
(4,981 posts)Schiff said as he emphasized that giuliani began the smear campaign against Yovanovitch in March of 2019.
bdamomma
(63,849 posts)Because she's a intelligent woman. Just like Blasey-Ford
phleshdef
(11,936 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)My Pet Orangutan
(9,252 posts)ecstatic
(32,705 posts)want to hear from witnesses because they're not interested in sending any other republicans to jail? I find it interesting that Schiff said they should want to know how far the corruption goes.
ancianita
(36,058 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)that funded all of these GOP elected officials and thus the problem with them bucking (biting) the hand that fed them.
BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)dweller
(23,634 posts)👍🏻
✌🏼
BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)ancianita
(36,058 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)for people to peruse.
Mersky
(4,981 posts)The assistant to VP Pants.
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Analysis coming from MSNBC panel (Maddow, Hayes, McCaskill, Wiley, and Rosenberg) is that the content may have been improperly classified. McCaskill explained that if a senator believes a document has been falsely classified to, say, coverup a crime, then they can choose to discuss that publicly. This would place the burden upon the classifying agency to defend the classification status of the document.
BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)(am watching Schumer on there right now )
Mersky
(4,981 posts)(The Schumer interview was illuminating as well).
Thanks again
BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)(am on MIRT so was going back and forth dealing with that and this )
BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)Schumer added his congratulations.
crickets
(25,980 posts)and replayed again and again. Powerful stuff.
BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)(receive House messages, legislation, etc)
crickets
(25,980 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)(the "messages from the House" ) but we all know he'll then just shove it in his circular file.
crickets
(25,980 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)It's obvious that Turtle wants it all to sit untouched, through the rest of this calendar year and EXPIRE at the end of this Congress' term, which it will if not considered by December 31, 2020.
BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)crickets
(25,980 posts)Wonderful as always and greatly appreciated.
BumRushDaShow
(129,023 posts)with comments and the "play by play" of what is going on!
dweller
(23,634 posts)😑
✌🏼
elleng
(130,912 posts)crickets
(25,980 posts)and how Senators might weigh whether to disclose information they feel is incorrectly classified was fascinating.
Just saw this: 'Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO) violated Senate rules and left the impeachment trial to go be on Fox News with Tucker Carlson.'
https://www.politicususa.com/2020/01/22/josh-hawley-impeachment-trial.html?
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,346 posts)ecstatic
(32,705 posts)Mersky
(4,981 posts)Im just gonna copy and paste my rundown of that from my comment #91, as Im too dang tired and would like to cite the conversation:
Analysis coming from MSNBC panel (Maddow, Hayes, McCaskill, Wiley, and Rosenberg) is that the content may have been improperly classified. McCaskill explained that if a senator believes a document has been falsely classified to, say, coverup a crime, then they can choose to discuss that publicly. This would place the burden upon the classifying agency to defend the classification status of the document.
Mc Mike
(9,114 posts)thinks it will benefit him to do so.
dem4decades
(11,296 posts)crickets
(25,980 posts)Rosenberg has not served as Senator and McCaskill has, so the fact that she was much more open to the notion was unexpected. He did make good points about the dangers, but her thoughts were that it would be a case of obvious attempts at a cover-up which might warrant stepping out of line.