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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums****LIVE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL 1/23/20 THREAD 3****
Last edited Thu Jan 23, 2020, 09:14 PM - Edit history (1)
Thread 1 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212901432
Thread 2 - https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212901911
BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)"and it is damning evidence of a quid pro quo"
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,384 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)(have been typing stuff and listening)
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,384 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)and then skip to a new sentence... Luckily Jeffries is speaking slowly enough for it to capture it pretty well though.
hedda_foil
(16,375 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,384 posts)UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)I think they know it's like a call summary memo...
BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)and he just mentioned no, "it's not really a transcript" but a "call record".
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,384 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)Showing there was a chain of communications from tRump to Sondland, then from Sondland to Volker via text and voicemail, then Volker to Yermak the morning before tRump spoke with Zelensky on the infamous perfect* call.
He then played a clip showing Sondland agreeing to that string of contacts.
BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)Don't know who the mysterious "-1" phone is.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,384 posts)bdamomma
(63,913 posts)pretty accurate.
Hakeem is really good.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,384 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)Response to BumRushDaShow (Original post)
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Mersky
(4,986 posts)Then went on to relate giulianis August 9 meeting with Yermak (Zelenskys top aide) in Madrid.
He provided texts between giuliani, officials, and Yermak surrounding the Madrid meeting showing language consistent with the various sides of the discussion fully aware of perquisites for a meeting amounting to a quid pro quo.
Also included the phone records showing giuliani contacting the WH via calls and texts along the time giuliani was meeting with Yermak in Madrid.
Eta: this is a summary from the last part of Jeffries presentation
bdamomma
(63,913 posts)walk away from the evidence, IT IS ALL THERE.
Blaukraut
(5,693 posts)Walk away from the evidence.
bdamomma
(63,913 posts)the crap will hit the fan. Those of us who have a brain know the truth and the facts. We will rise up.
Miles Archer
(18,837 posts)Stories about Lindsey Graham turning his back when Schiff was speaking, senators slipping out to talk to Fox News, smirking, laughing, all kinds of Republican maturity. The cameras can't show it. The anecdotes have been surfacing.
BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)(his conclusion before Garcia started)
BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)a whole set of discussions that went around the normal State Department channels.
Kali
(55,016 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)and was so glad that the people in the hearing room gave him a round of applause!!!
Kali
(55,016 posts)REAL patriots
BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)underpants
(182,851 posts)These days it's called "fact checking".
Look the defense is going to be the ridiculous and obviously contradictory pablum of talk radio and Fox News. The one that kills me is that Trump couldn't defend himself (his lawyer's were invited in the House) because there was no direct testimony from fact based witnesses (there was). That's the ACTUAL SECOND ARTICLE OF IMPEACHMENT.
I'd really love to see that.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,384 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)against abuse of power.
BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)Clip of Taylor describing Zelensky as a reformer by installing reformist ministers, anti corruption measures, and opening anti corruption courts.
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Ukrainian official Danyliuk expressed Zelenskys resistance to becoming involved in tRumps political scheme.
Text dated July 21 from Taylor to Sondland expressing that he and Kent had discussed how Danyliuk had said that Zelensky wanted to be taken seriously and not merely an instrument in Washington domestic, reelection politics.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,384 posts)Mostly talking about all the Republicans they talked to in the halls.
Disgusting. Nothing like the old McNeil - Lehrer report days.
BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)because the RW loons were jamming the CSPAN2 call lines.
elleng
(131,028 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,384 posts)I'm stuck with it.
BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)But it angers me that the DoD put out a press release on June 18 announcing aid to Ukraine, and know that tRump, with the help of OMB machinations, sat on it for another nearly three months.
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Really wanted to watch all of her presentation, dang it.
BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)DOD had to do a certification - and that is what was done. And knowing that the funding would expire by the end of the fiscal year, they got their approval done and announced with just barely enough time to get it obligated by September 30 ASSUMING it wasn't held up.
But as we know, it WAS held up, and eventually Congress had to pass legislation in order to revise the funding stipulations so that the portion not able to be obligated in time, could cross fiscal years.
Mersky
(4,986 posts)To cleanup it up. Were congressionally allocated to begin with, and Ukraine met the congressionally determined requirements according to the DoD.
BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)because he has no idea (nor cares) how the government works, then you get to that point where Congress has to fix the problems created by the clueless business conman.
The government is not a "business" (as the swamp things in the WH have discovered).
Mersky
(4,986 posts)But oughta leave Congresss marble alone.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/apr/15/trump-shuttle-airline-branding-failure
BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)to put in Mar A Largo and would whine if told they are not to be moved.
Mersky
(4,986 posts)I added that link in there, in case folks hadnt heard about the plush carpet thing.
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Anyways, thank you, for hanging in there. I went spiral eyes from hunger about an hour ago. I always prefer these threads remain really active, and like to contribute to that. Am gonna have to rework my strategies for maintaining through this endurance test. Its worth it.
BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)and GAO's decision on the administration's violation of that Act by withholding the funding - and moreso, pointing out how an appointee was inserted in the approval chain to execute the hold, and that individual was also someone unfamiliar with the law.
BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)He is noting they are almost done.
BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)ancianita
(36,128 posts)set of presentations with subtle edge. Defending doesn't have to be a somnambulent affair.
BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)and you can tell who has experience as a "trial lawyer" (most lawyers aren't trial lawyers).
ancianita
(36,128 posts)Last edited Fri Jan 24, 2020, 12:44 PM - Edit history (1)
Floridians who've watched her here are going to keep her in office. She's she's good optics for the state and the South, and she upped the state's rep a notch. Garcia from Texas did the same for that region.
Our team is from every region of the country, and those regions have got to feel elevated by the brilliance and professionalism of their Democrats, and this builds much more trust in the party nationwide.
BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)Demmings, having a law enforcement background means that she knows all aspects of the legal system, and notably the "evidence gathering" side and what is needed to bring charges.
And yup, Nancy Pelosi selected an outstanding, diverse, and experienced team.
Mersky
(4,986 posts)1. The July 25th Call
2. Confirmed by multiple US officials
3. Hold was lifted only after scheme was exposed
4. No other legitimate explanation
5. Chief of Staff confessed: Why we held up the money
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Crow is lining out support for each item
sprinkleeninow
(20,254 posts)Mersky
(4,986 posts)And gosh, theyve come packed with the clips and records to back them up. Its amazing, isnt it? Laying it all out chronologically - has been breathtaking.
sprinkleeninow
(20,254 posts)I'm hating all of this. Cannot believe it's actually happening.
Been ill in my soul since November 2016, but never envisioned anything such as this.
Truth and righteousness as I have learned them and know them are conquering forces. May these be the forces that actualize 'our' victory.
BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)and they they are done and will begin again tomorrow.
BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)And is going after Ghouliani. Drumpf chose to believe Ghouliani rather than our intelligent agencies.
sprinkleeninow
(20,254 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)C_U_L8R
(45,012 posts)He's all A-Game, all the time. This is so remarkable. I'm so proud of this good man.
BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)greenjar_01
(6,477 posts)tishaLA
(14,176 posts)in his argument about why tRump needs to be removed from office NOW rather than after the election.
elleng
(131,028 posts)Kali
(55,016 posts)the truth matters
live love laugh
(13,123 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)nolabear
(41,990 posts)I cant watch right now but he seems to be knocking it out of the park again.
BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)gademocrat7
(10,665 posts)Rep. Adam Schiff is outstanding!
BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)Mme. Defarge
(8,036 posts)and the truth matters, otherwise were lost.
There it is.
Zoonart
(11,875 posts)Blaukraut
(5,693 posts)BumRushDaShow
(129,250 posts)Zoonart
(11,875 posts)Hermit-The-Prog
(33,384 posts)I missed huge chunks tonight and really appreciate your updates. (Hermits don't expect visitors).
ancianita
(36,128 posts)dweller
(23,647 posts)People are wrong to say that we have no heroes left.
Just as they have always been, they are all around us,
choosing to do the right thing, no matter what.
Given my role here, how should i behave?
✌🏼
ElementaryPenguin
(7,800 posts)But I think Adam Schiff does - and that is high praise indeed from someone in awe of Obama's speech giving skills!
H2O Man
(73,577 posts)of great American speeches, and a couple of great speeches throughout the history of the world. Adam Schiff hit that level tonight. I am in awe.