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Trump's close ties to Putin - seems to be leading us toward something similar to Russian rule. I'd just like to get a feeling as to how the Russian People are coping under Putin - because I sense that we might be heading in that direction.
WhiteTara
(29,719 posts)whose oligarchs are stripping all the assets of the country, including natural resources that belong to the people. It's coming our way in soon. 40% of the houses don't have indoor plumbing. The garbage piles in the streets because the oligarchs use mafia gangs who steal the money and don't do the work.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)the Russian Federation seems to be regressing back to the Stalin Era from what real news leaks out and reported in the European Press. Sounding more like a Nation of Gangs and Gang operated Business's and Companies.
ancianita
(36,128 posts)Turbineguy
(37,360 posts)Socialism for the rich, laissez faire market for the rest
Socialism for the rich! So succinct and precise.
If the average American claims those same rights, they're accused of being communists. Trump is publicly starting that meme already.
"Corporate welfare" is another of my favorites. It says it all.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)I'm ashamed to say I've read three books about Putin's Russia and I'm damned if I can answer this question.
It's kind of a kleptocracy.
But I actually crave a real answer to your question so I can understand it better.
ancianita
(36,128 posts)Timothy Snyder's The Road to Unfreedom (2018) -- Russia, Europe, America.
It's the closest I've come to seeing where we ourselves are going. It's a society that lives pinned down by what government does to them, rather than for them or with them.
It's what Snyder calls "managed democracy."
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)I loved Snyder's book BLOODLANDS. Next time I'm on Amazon I will order this book!
ancianita
(36,128 posts)msongs
(67,430 posts)in their slums and cardboard boxes
Leghorn21
(13,525 posts)Here are some of the real gems of Rublevka real estate in the suburbs of Moscow owned by Russian officials or close friends of Putin
Link to tweet
dalton99a
(81,558 posts)https://www.newstatesman.com/books/2011/10/russia-mafia-harding-putin
Igel
(35,332 posts)It's not like they're all in chain gangs and in forced labor camps, or live in neighborhoods where everybody has to pay protection money to the local branch of the Mafia.
sdfernando
(4,937 posts)Dictatorial fascism
DFW
(54,420 posts)His girlfriend still lives there. She speaks only Russian, and would be miserable in Germany, and they both know it.
But he now knows Russia extremely well, having lived through the transition from Yeltsin to Putin, and speaks the language better than I do at this point.
His assessment is that what Dalton99 described is exactly correct. Though every self-declared "socialist" society to date has been a dismal failure, always ending up as a dictatorship of an ideological elite, which turns into a privileged elite, modern Russia is really no different. They just shed the label, as they haven't needed it for many decades, since well before the USSR disintegrated. When you are as powerful as Putin is now, you don't need labels any more, do you? The difference between "l'état, c'est moi" and "le peuple, c'est moi" is pretty much nothing if the man at the top has absolute power.
In effect, to answer the OP's question, the closest thing the Russian people are now living under is a monarchy.
Silver1
(721 posts)Not unlike us.
EleanorR
(2,393 posts)Link to tweet
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MineralMan
(146,322 posts)lastlib
(23,263 posts)The ruling class is stealing the country blind, and there is little the masses can do about it.
Putin has acquired much of his wealth by essentially nationalizing many of the companies that produce wealth, then using his power as president/absolute dictator to steal it from the government, then using the instruments of government power to protect him. (Kinda like tRump is doing.) He is, by some accounts, the wealthiest man in the world, and it's virtually all stolen through these means.
His oligarchical buddies are in on the deal, and get their cut in exchange for aiding and abetting him.
That's pretty much my understanding as well. And corrupt as it has always been where you often get what you want with bribes. Seems like Lev Parnas or somebody recently confirmed that this is still the case.
I'm sure the average Russian would be better off today if all the old Soviet government assets had been restructured for the public good rather than privatized for the benefit of Putin and his oligarch pals.
MineralMan
(146,322 posts)Private property is a thing, but standards of living are lower than in the US. That means it's harder to buy and own a house, so more buy/own their apts. We'd call them "condos" but they're just apartments without the cachet that "condo" has.
Still, there's a home-owning (upper) middle class that's doing okay, and the working class is doing as the working class does.
Health-care has the some kind of granular stratification. So it's like here a lot, even if a lot of the older folk have transitioned from pure socialist straitjacketed centralized support to something more like OASDI and subsidized housing in the US.
This is in the larger cities.
Note that a lot of practices from Soviet times are just practices and continue because That's How Things Are Done. So large complexes have a central heating unit, like apt. buildings do in the US, but the "complexes" can be multiple buildings with multiple owners or even include several city blocks.
Like in Soviet times, if you have connections or "play ball" with the PTB you do better. That's not required for doing well, but if you do really well then the PTB notice you and either you play ball or you're fouled out. So years ago--still under Putin principles--a publisher anticipated the needs of schools and got really good textbooks. Schools could pick and choose, and he started doing really well. Then the government filed some claims against him because a friend of Putin with a competing publishing house laid some sort of copyright infringement or breach of contract claim against him. Remember, government has cadres of lawyers on the payroll and just the *threat* of charges will often cause a person to be forced into bankruptcy as credit dries up and employers turn away, even if you do nothing wrong and no charges are filed governmental power can destroy a person that's deemed politically expendable, and this is a typical totalitarian tool (often promoted by those envious of how corruption can cement power for the "right thinking" . So this publisher was put in a position where all his assets were frozen because of an investigation, which meant he had no assets to actually hire a lawyer to defend himself. He had orders, claims were made against him, and in short order his company was ordered sold at auction, and the guy who got the government to sue him bought it up for kopecks on the ruble. Then he withdrew his complaint and the case against the guy, now stripped of assets, vanished. Took 6 months.
In the West, big corporations buy up small successful ones. In Russia, you merely bankrupt them using political connections and government power. Much cheaper that way--you pay below market, except for that whole selling out any kind of principles and morality (then again, that's often overvalued on the open market, it seems).
In the hinterland things are different--still lower standards of living, but more like rural Appalachia in some ways. Some nicer homes but lots of smaller, run down places. This is a hold-over from tsarist and soviet times (not that different, really, in some regards--just a question of who's the master and who's the serf) where all good things flow into the cities, where the education/cultured (or ideologically important) people live.
Politicians cater to their base, and city folk typically frown on the untermenschen in fly-over country.
bamagal62
(3,264 posts)Thats how they cope.
OliverQ
(3,363 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,678 posts)Which is basically what a mob is. Capitalistic authoritarianism.
It's what we're headed for under Trump, and following decades of Repub RW extremism.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)That's how I've heard it described. Whether that holds up to serious academic study, I'm not sure. Defenitely very different to Socialism though.
Similiar to Nazi Germany, Putin pits the white Christian population against disadvantaged groups, blaming them for many ills of the nation, and has a very imperialist aspirations. The nation is mostly run by Capitalist Oligarchs, with Putin as the Autocratic top dog.
global1
(25,261 posts)Where I was going with this from the OP and now is: Trump is trying to villianize Bernie and the Dems as being Socialists.
Year's ago we called Russia a Communist country and that was a dirty word and we hated Russia.
I'm not crazy about the term - democratic socialist. I'd rather it be called 'social capitalism'.
If Trump is taking us down the path to be more like Russia - then how can we villianize that and speak up for 'democratic socialism' or as I like to call it 'social capitalism'?