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MineralMan

(146,321 posts)
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 02:45 PM Feb 2020

My wife remarked to me yesterday that someone who was in grammar school

with her, lo these many years ago, commented on Facebook nastily toward Lt. Colonel Vindman, calling him a coward and a traitor. She asked what I'd say in response to that.

I suggested, "When did you serve in the military? When were you wounded? When was your Purple Heart awarded?"

She did. The guy unfriended her. "Good," she said.

Those who dis those who served in the military almost always didn't serve in the military. Questions like those will soon rid your feed of such slimeballs. If the person answers the questions to the effect that that person did serve, you can simply say, "You're calling a fellow veteran who was wounded a coward? Really?" That will fix that.

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My wife remarked to me yesterday that someone who was in grammar school (Original Post) MineralMan Feb 2020 OP
Those who have not served keithbvadu2 Feb 2020 #1
Good response, MM. I love these stories of sacrifice by Ivanka, and rump's ... SWBTATTReg Feb 2020 #2
A few years ago, a friend of many years, died. Not wanting to attend the funeral, another friend Frustratedlady Feb 2020 #3
Now that was a truly dedicated liar PatSeg Feb 2020 #4
The only thing we could figure was that he fed that lie to his fairly new wife... Frustratedlady Feb 2020 #5
Maybe it is insecurity PatSeg Feb 2020 #6
Liars depend on everyone else to be honest The Wizard Feb 2020 #21
Bravo!! Ferrets are Cool Feb 2020 #7
Guess your wife's friend didn't expect that. busterbrown Feb 2020 #8
People like that never expect to be called on their MineralMan Feb 2020 #9
I respect your ability to act sensibly... busterbrown Feb 2020 #13
My favorite retort to Trumpinistas The Wizard Feb 2020 #22
Nice. A few non-threatening questions to suss out any lack of confidence in his position. yonder Feb 2020 #10
Thats my standard BigOleDummy Feb 2020 #11
I had this very same "argument" RazBerryBeret Feb 2020 #12
I rarely visit facebook anymore, but so glad I've no friends who spout right wing garbage. cwydro Feb 2020 #14
WTF? He was subpoenaed! He told the truth! TexasBushwhacker Feb 2020 #15
Get rid of facebook extvbroadcaster Feb 2020 #16
It does work for keeping in touch with friends and family. MineralMan Feb 2020 #17
I have eliminated all toxic people from my FB feed dhol82 Feb 2020 #19
Yes. So have I. I block people without any remorse. MineralMan Feb 2020 #23
You can make an ethical choice about the products you use. Nature Man Feb 2020 #24
You can also use products in an ethical way. MineralMan Feb 2020 #25
The problem comes from what Facebook is Nature Man Feb 2020 #26
My tack is a little different. maxsolomon Feb 2020 #18
It's like getting the trash to take itself out. Efilroft Sul Feb 2020 #20
Communicating with such people is not only a total waste of time, it is bad for the heart. Nitram Feb 2020 #27
I agree. I never do. I simply block them at the first opportunity. MineralMan Feb 2020 #28

keithbvadu2

(36,858 posts)
1. Those who have not served
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 02:56 PM
Feb 2020

The Trumps are not shy about proclaiming how much they have 'sacrificed'.

Visit to Arlington Cemetery reminded Donald Trump Jr. of all his family's 'sacrifices,' he writes

https://www.stripes.com/news/us/visit-to-arlington-cemetery-reminded-donald-trump-jr-of-all-his-family-s-sacrifices-he-writes-1.606501

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212910508

"I gave up my life to move to Washington to help Americans," Ivanka Trump says in Davos interview.

SWBTATTReg

(22,154 posts)
2. Good response, MM. I love these stories of sacrifice by Ivanka, and rump's ...
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 03:02 PM
Feb 2020

sacrifice in not serving and avoiding not getting a STD, although I think that he's lying when he says this (his mental state resembles someone w/ an advanced case of a STD long untreated.

These people don't know what the word sacrifice means, obviously.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
3. A few years ago, a friend of many years, died. Not wanting to attend the funeral, another friend
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 03:43 PM
Feb 2020

and I went to the funeral home to pay our respects. This person who died had a Trump problem in that he had difficulty telling the truth or enhanced the story to make himself look good. We always called him on the lies, but it never stopped him.

As I was leaving, I glanced at the program and could not believe what I saw. He apparently tried to impress his second wife that, while serving during the Korean War, he won a Purple Heart and she not only believed him, but added it to the program of his funeral. I turned to my friend and said, "Even in death, he lied."

A good lesson on how your lies will follow you around...even to the grave.

PatSeg

(47,549 posts)
4. Now that was a truly dedicated liar
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 03:47 PM
Feb 2020

I've known people like that and I never understood how their minds worked. They will lie about anything, even when the truth may be better.

At least he was consistent!

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
5. The only thing we could figure was that he fed that lie to his fairly new wife...
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 03:58 PM
Feb 2020

and she dutifully believed it. But, the thing that confused us was that his son was a minister and surely knew better. I suppose he could have bought a Purple Heart at an antique shop or got one somehow, but he never won one.

I thought that maybe he actually did win one, so I checked all the military sites for winner's names of Purple Hearts and he was not listed. That probably sounds like I am being nosy, but I couldn't believe that even after death...

You just never know what motivates those people.

PatSeg

(47,549 posts)
6. Maybe it is insecurity
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 04:04 PM
Feb 2020

People often try to make themselves more than they are, because they don't think people will love the person that they are. They can get very creative, it is a shame they can't channel that creativity into something more productive.

I've also known the people who believed the lies and when they found out the truth, it often was devastating.

The Wizard

(12,546 posts)
21. Liars depend on everyone else to be honest
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 09:05 AM
Feb 2020

When you give them false information they can't process it and their myths dissolve. Lawyers do this in cross examination. Once the witness agrees to the lie the story begins to unravel. Everything changes once the lying starts.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
8. Guess your wife's friend didn't expect that.
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 04:53 PM
Feb 2020

Your wife's style... Hit em hard and fast... Keep it simple... Yea.. thats the way!!

MineralMan

(146,321 posts)
9. People like that never expect to be called on their
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 04:57 PM
Feb 2020

bullshit. My wife usually doesn't do things like that, but I suggested it and she tried it Boom! Problem solved.

I handle it differently. The first time someone from the old days spouts a Trumpism, I just block them from my feed. I don't bother engaging them. I simply don't have time. My wife has always tried to reason with such people, but is tired of doing that at this point.

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
13. I respect your ability to act sensibly...
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 07:48 PM
Feb 2020

Once in awhile I'm an irresponsible Dem.. who does not know how to leave a political argument as a stalemate .... Little I can do about it...Really.. These nuts who surround us are literally incapacitated in understanding the damage they are doing to our planet..

I always read your posts closely.. I learn a lot.

The Wizard

(12,546 posts)
22. My favorite retort to Trumpinistas
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 09:08 AM
Feb 2020

Kindly furnish us with peer reviewed empirical data to support your assertions.

BigOleDummy

(2,272 posts)
11. Thats my standard
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 05:05 PM
Feb 2020

response to people like that. Mine is more usually, "Oh, you're a veteran too? When/where did you serve?" Thats my response when I'm called a "traitor" or similar crap from the trumpists. You are 100% correct it shuts up the vast majority of them immediately. If they DO happen to be a fellow vet its a great way to change the subject too.

RazBerryBeret

(3,075 posts)
12. I had this very same "argument"
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 05:47 PM
Feb 2020

with a FB friend for HS.... i kinda wish he would unfriend me, I'm not gonna cave and unfriend him, that's like giving up... haha.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
14. I rarely visit facebook anymore, but so glad I've no friends who spout right wing garbage.
Sun Feb 9, 2020, 08:00 PM
Feb 2020

I don’t consider it a political platform.

extvbroadcaster

(343 posts)
16. Get rid of facebook
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:35 PM
Feb 2020

Finally people are wising up that Facebook sucks. Oh, it works for some people to keep in touch with family and such. But for most people it is just "brag book" where the postings are all of vacation photos and the kids senior prom. Nobody ever posts their DUI mugshot or their divorce papers. And do you really want to hear from the kid that sat behind you in high school history? There is a reason people drift away from each other, and Facebook disrupts that natural flow. Once you are "friends" with some somebody you might just realize they were an asshole in high school and still are. No Facebook for me.

MineralMan

(146,321 posts)
17. It does work for keeping in touch with friends and family.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 03:38 PM
Feb 2020

Sometimes, it can also work for catching up with old friends and acquaintances. However, when you start doing that, you'll find some who are not really worth continuing to communicate with. Those, you can simply dispense with and unfriend.

Then, you can keep those connections that you value and continue to communicate.

That's how I use Facebook, and it's how my wife uses it.

You don't have to use Facebook. It's a choice for everyone, isn't it?

dhol82

(9,353 posts)
19. I have eliminated all toxic people from my FB feed
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 09:40 PM
Feb 2020

It is useful for keeping in touch with family and friends in addition to my high school class.
Fortunately, my HS class was very liberal.
So is my family. And my friends.

MineralMan

(146,321 posts)
25. You can also use products in an ethical way.
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 10:38 AM
Feb 2020

Like most social media venues, Facebook lets you control what you see in various ways. It also lets you control who sees what you post there, and what they can do with what they see.

Customizing your Facebook experience is part of the way you can make it more ethical, in your own terms.

Nature Man

(869 posts)
26. The problem comes from what Facebook is
Tue Feb 11, 2020, 12:08 PM
Feb 2020

not how you use it.

Website user experience has nothing to do with ethics.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
18. My tack is a little different.
Mon Feb 10, 2020, 05:31 PM
Feb 2020

Instead of challenging their credentials to make a slanderous statement like that, I ask for specifics on what they're referencing.

"What did Col. Vindman do that was cowardly?" Partially it's because I have no fucking clue what they're talking about, and I want to challenge them in good faith.

Trumpists cannot give specifics &/or facts. They're reacting from their reptile brains.

THEN I stick the knife in and twist it.

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