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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsComparing Obama to Carter, Talking Endlessly About Reagan
I went over to politico this morning, since I heard everyone talking about how they are up-in-arms about how horrible Obama's speech was (huh?). I decided to read the comments to the story and a significant number of people commenting had their party affiliation listed as "Republican" or "Tea-Party". And all of the comments from those people brought up two things:
1. Obama is identical to Jimmy Carter
2. Ra Ra Reagan!
I don't really want to get into the validity of the arguments about whether Obama is Carter or Reagan was great. What I want to know is, why are they talking about 1970's? Carter was president nearly 40 years ago. If you were born when Carter was elected, you are 36 years old. If you are actually old enough to even vaguely remember Carter being president, you are probably in your mid-50's. If you were a full grown adult, able to fully remember how Carter's presidency affected you, either positively or negatively, you have likely been a grandparent for a number of years. Same with Reagan. If you were one of those "Reagan Democrats" you are probably pushing 70 years old now.
My point is, who are these arguments about 1970's America trying to appeal to? Are you really going to get a bunch of 40 year olds saying "yeah, Obama is like Carter! I remember the rough shape we were in when I was 3 years old. Lets vote Romney!" And just as importantly, how old is the typical republican that they can actually, supposedly, remember Carter's 1980 convention speech, something they all keep bringing up?
rfranklin
(13,200 posts)think they "earned" their Social Security and Medicare even thought it might be ten times what they paid in. They are obesssed with the Reagan myth which has very little to do with what Reagan actually did.
justgamma
(3,666 posts)the clip of Ronnie saying it was dumb to tax the wealthy less than the workers. Could you imagine the heads exploding on the Cons side? It would have been sweet!
jsr
(7,712 posts)Freddie
(9,273 posts)I remember the Carter-Reagan election very well--I was 23--you do the math
(not retired & not in my 70s!)
Like much of history, the Myth of St. Ronnie has grown and gotten fuzzier with time, just like he did in his second term. When he was still cognizant, he was a cold, calculated manipulator who would say and do anything to get elected. He was indeed the Teflon President--many scandals happened during his regime, and none if them stuck. Unemployment was over 10% and interest rates were 18% during the wondrous early 80s. He is responsible for the unholy alliance of the GOP and the Religious Right, quite a feat for a man who rarely set foot in a church. I could go on.
.. it was Unca Ronnie's personal mission to destroy unions.
That is his legacy.
PAMod
(906 posts)If they really wanted to brag about a successful GOP President, they'd have to go back to Teddy Roosevelt.
And we all know if Teddy were still with us in this life, he'd be a Democrat.
libinnyandia
(1,374 posts)too.
BumRushDaShow
(129,410 posts)" you are probably in your mid-50's."
Umm no... Carter became President when I was in high school and he was in his last year of office when I was a freshman in college. And I'm not "mid-50's" (am around the same age as the President). But I remember the era well... Because it was the disco era, so it was not all doom and gloom! K.C. and the Sunshine Band were rockin' the house.
I remember that the Pell Grants (just starting to be called that then) hit their peak before Raygun came in and torpedoed the hell out of them. It was also the waning days of the white flight out of the cities and there were alot of ugly "busing" issues in an attempt to desegregate the schools in certain urban areas (most notably in the Boston area - it was like Little Rock redux). The nation was reeling from oil embargoes that had started under the Nixon Administration - most notably the gas-line 1973/1974 one. But then millionaires were taxed at 70% too so if they want to compare, let's change the tax code back so that there's a better fit.
The "Obama = Carter" nonsense is to try to push the "one-term President" wet dream that they have manufactured for themselves out of desperation. Their "side" is looking horrible (obviously to them), so they have to somehow try to make lemonade out of the bitter lemon that they have and will stop at nothing to not only put lipstick on that pig, but make sure he wins a date with the next Toddler with a Tiara!
If anything, they need to look at Poppy, who was a one-term President and then get a clue.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Oh, and then there's this:
LWolf
(46,179 posts)While Reagan was a total fucking disaster for the nation, short and long term, he enjoyed bipartisan popularity and too much of the nation still believes in his myth.
That's why. Republicans have nothing positive to inspire anyone since Reagan; they can't rave about Bush I or II, and they sure as hell don't want to go back and remind anyone of Nixon, so Reagan's defeat of Carter and subsequent trashing of the nation is all they've got to rally the troops. They HAVE to promote the myth; they've got nothing else.
Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)Pointing out that Obama leads consistently in the polls and that Romney never really gets above about 44%. Every time, they bring up the 1980 election. "Well Reagan was behind until the last 2 weeks, so that is what is going to happen here". They so want to win this election that they have become delusional and think Obama is Carter Redux and Romney is the Reincarnation of Ronald Reagan. It is seeing patterns where no patterns exist. They just hope if they say it enough, 2012 will suddenly turn into 1980. I would find it sad if I didn't hate that party so much.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)Either side will find SOMETHING to promote themselves as being ahead in the race.
Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)Who can tell us which side is actually ahead and which side is clearly going to lose.
daleo
(21,317 posts)When it comes to mythology, lived experience isn't necessarily relevant. In fact mythology works best on people who didn't live through the mythical past. I don't see it working, as the Reagan myth is an inappropriate archetype for Romney.
baldguy
(36,649 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)Whereas Obama's succeeded, getting bin Laden
So there's one big difference for them to consider.
DLine
(397 posts)Every Republican wants to blame Carter for the failed military mission. Yet no Republican wants to give Obama credit for the successful military mission.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Did a FB post on why she thanks the Navy Seals for taking out bin Laden but not Obama.
I countered with then I guess Jimmy Carter was not to blame and only the incompetence of the Marine's?
And had the operation failed, they'd say well those NAVY seals were incompetent and Obama was not to blame?
Crickets from them. Their double standard is that Obama would have been to blame but never gets credit.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)napkinz
(17,199 posts)Jennicut
(25,415 posts)I have no reference of Carter. Barely one of Reagan as I was a kid. Poppy Bush I sort of remember because that was middle school to high school. But at 16, Clinton got elected and that was a big impact on me. That is who we remember, those of us in our thirties. The under 30 crowd remembers W.
I laughed about a discussion on MSNBC one time about Reagan Democrats and how to appeal to them. Um, MSM, those people are in their 60's now, like my parents! That is not a crowd that will really change their mind anymore. I think it is simply the fact that Repubs have a large base of older voters and that is what they talk about and look back on.