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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI still believe that the origin of this threat against our democracy is Trump's debt to oligarchs.
Just as Eric Trump once said, they get all the financing they need from the Russians.
In my opinion, when Trump could no longer borrow from American banks, he went to Russia, and later to Saudi Arabia and the Middle East, to keep his brand afloat. In the process, he became one of the largest money-launderers in the world.
This was the information that he had to keep from the American people. That is why he could not show his tax returns or the details of his financial statements. He was living in a palace of debt.
All the conspiracy theories, all the investigations, all the crimes committed, were all part of the cover-up of the criminal activities of Donald J Trump.
In my opinion, his business empire would collapse without the input of money from oligarchs around the world, most of it in the laundromat.
That is also the reason that he grovels to Vladimir Putin. Putin controls him. I still believe that. People keep secrets when they have something to hide. Donald Trump has a lot of secrets.
Squidly
(783 posts)DENVERPOPS
(8,835 posts)also funneled ton's of millions into Republican Senators thru the NRA............With out the Senate Republicans, Trump would be gone in a second the day he took office.....Period.
Go after the Senate Republicans, with out them, Trump would be nothing & in prison along with his spawn and hundreds of other minions......
Raster
(20,998 posts)NONE of them deserves re-election.
ALL of them are guilty of subverting democracy.
NOTHING will ever get better in the U.S. until the GOP* is gone.
#VoteRepublicansOut #DeleteTheGOP
DENVERPOPS
(8,835 posts)Corrupting Democracy........life with no parole........
Raster
(20,998 posts)... that attempts to take away or nullify another's vote.
DENVERPOPS
(8,835 posts)Ilsa
(61,695 posts)the oligarchs what to do about financing trump, buying his properties, etc. The secrecy of his communiques with anyone Russian attests to the corupt nature of the relationship. Trump doesn't care that putin is trying to destroy our democracy as long as he gets what he wants.
H2O Man
(73,559 posts)That is definitely a huge factor -- indeed, the major factor -- in a cluster that includes Saudi Arabian financial control of Trump. Add to that, Trump is a sociopath, as my DU interview with Dr. Bandy Lee this past weekend documents.
kentuck
(111,102 posts)Very informative.
I think his fantasy is to steal a trillion dollars from the US Treasury.
He is probably well on his way.
homegirl
(1,429 posts)Boy, if Trump is a "godsend" meaning "sent from God" then The Deity has really tossed out his standards vis-a-vis the 10 Commandments when it comes to who He holds up for sainthood. By my count Trump routinely violates Commandments:
1: He values money more than God
2. I'm just guessing but Trump almost surely uses "God damn it" every time he tries to fit into his pants or tighten his girdle.
3. He golfs on the Sabbath routinely
4. He deceived his father to collect most of the family inheritance against the old man's wishes.
5. He has been killing using the drone program Obama bequeathed on him, with a reported 10X as many civilians dying as "targets" getting whacked.
6. As for adultury, he is a true serial violator
7. His entire business plan is based upon stealing -- from tenants he evicts illegally from buildings he wants to convert to co-ops, from contractors he stiffs out of their payments for work done, and to banks he borrows from and then declares bankruptcy
8. Lying (false witness)? The man is a congenital liar. Nuff said.
9 . Donald covets any younger woman he sees, including wives of his friends.
10. He covets his neighbors' goods too, if they have property that's in the way of his developments.
That's 10 for 10. What a "godsend."
captain queeg
(10,208 posts)Roy Rolling
(6,917 posts)You may be on to something.
Maybe he was sent by Godto cull the hypocrite, Trump-worshipping Christians from the ranks of humble, Jesus-worshipping and following Christians.
rampartc
(5,409 posts)trump wants the usa to have so much debt he can justify a "public equity" style liquidation of federal lands and property, including the nation parks and military bases.
trump's cult will see this as "balancing the budget" and will not mind one bit that his sons are making a commission on the sales.
not a new idea. I think this was romney's plan as front man for bain capital inc.
mopinko
(70,120 posts)saudi arabia and uae are just the biggest fish, but he only has buildings in places he can push people around.
any of them could push back at any time, and he knows it.
DEbluedude
(816 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,666 posts)Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)Of course, but htf do you awaken his corrupted Koo Koo Klan? or KKK for short, since no one else is using that one?
Shitler & the Shitettes and their shitocracy?
What I don't get, fucking over the masses..... this goes for anyone.
I erased a long diatribe, and decided it was TLDR, in summary:
What goes around, comes around, and some are due for a correction, just when the fucking bloody god forsaken us hell is the WHEN?
I think sometimes, I actually died in the 1990's from a bad accident, and I am in hell, but then I remember I'm not into that?
No presidency ending leaks is hard to believe, too?
joost5
(421 posts)FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Nitram
(22,813 posts)SergeStorms
(19,201 posts)But we've pretty much known this all along, haven't we. This is why republican Senators cover his ass to the max. They're so beholding to the Russians that they can't allow any of Trump's information leak out, because that means their asses are in a sling as well. It will all come out someday, but it will be far too late for anything to be done about it.
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,823 posts)Trump, August 2015: I make $40 million, $50 million from Saudi Arabia. I like them very much.
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Maggiemayhem
(811 posts)They starting lending Trump money when nobody else would.
not_the_one
(2,227 posts)The Deutsche Bank money has already been followed to Putin and russian oligarchs' VTB Bank.
ElementaryPenguin
(7,800 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,196 posts)Karadeniz
(22,535 posts)raging moderate
(4,305 posts)Come on, Scotland!
kentuck
(111,102 posts)Evolve Dammit
(16,737 posts)This is a huuge international crime syndicate. We need oversight stronger than the U.S. House and I'm not sure where that comes from. "Hulk smash" would be my dream, but short of fantasy, may they all rot in hell. With Barr controlling DOJ, we will not see anything. He is there as the new Roy Cohn. They are all traitors and need to be regarded and treated accordingly.
vapor2
(1,248 posts)But I hope his laundering is revealed at some point.
czarjak
(11,278 posts)Asking for a Comrade.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)directly, did you borrow money from Russia? Did Russians co-sign your previous debt to Duetsche Bank?
Brother Mythos
(1,442 posts)But, let's not forget about the millions of Americans who voted for, and still support, Individual-1.
VOX
(22,976 posts)Word for word.
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elleng
(130,964 posts)and the oligarch-business flowed from that; much discoverable, I suspect, by NY 'sleuths.'
GoneOffShore
(17,340 posts)Trump wealth order probe urged over Scottish golf resorts
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-51666413?SThisFB&fbclid=IwAR1HlZlEUfHYc9BiDXPCeakFvtWnBlYrV0zR6XJW6TmYOYAjh4zVTXFW7N0
DFW
(54,403 posts)Trump has openly called himself "the king of debt." Where Obama wrote a book called "The Audacity of Hope," if Trump could write, his business autobiography might carry the title "The Victory of Audacity." He gets away with it because he dares to get away with it. He made a living incurring debts he never intended to pay. But Putin is a very different kind of creditor.
I don't think there is a cabal of oligarchs propping Trump up. Sooner or later, they would be bickering among each other for their share of the American Pie. I think that Putin was long aware of Trump's precarious financial straits, as well as the success of his outlandish rhetoric, and put two and two together. Probably realizing the Russian State would never see their money again, he decided to collect the collateral: Trump himself.
There is nothing so clever as making collateral you intend to collect into as valuable an asset as possible before cashing in. And so he did. Замечательно, товарищ (remarkable, comrade)!
kentuck
(111,102 posts)I would agree.
There are no bounds or laws that restrain him until they do.
DFW
(54,403 posts)Chamberlain and Hitler on the annexation of the Sudetenland in 1938, for example.
Chamberlain: if we let him get away with this, he'll cease to be a danger.
Hitler: They let me get away with THAT? Wow, they'll let me get away with ANYTHING!
Chamberlain's error in judgment cost dozens of millions of people their lives within seven years.
arthritisR_US
(7,288 posts)kentuck
(111,102 posts)The Republicans said.
DFW
(54,403 posts)Singing about Nazi (and then NASA) rocket scientist Wernher von Braun:
Some have harsh words for this man of renown
But some think our attitude should be one of gratitude
Like the widows and cripples in old London Town
Who owe their large pensions to Wernher von Braun
kentuck
(111,102 posts)..of tolerating evil.
arthritisR_US
(7,288 posts)Trueblue Texan
(2,430 posts)Putin is calling the shots now. That's the only explanation for the decisions that have been made. Russia has benefitted far more from the Trump administration than any other country in the world, especially the US.
drmeow
(5,019 posts)He'd be the mob boss but he SUCKS at everything he does so he's the mob stooge. Either way he is, along with his family and like so many other people with personality disorders of their type, at his deepest core an immoral criminal. The only times he does things in a legal or moral way is by accident or if the legal or moral way is the easier way to do it.
bucolic_frolic
(43,177 posts)of public goods. Perhaps a milder form of Nazism more than anything else. Oligarchs are a private, non-military form of generals in this conflict, and both enjoyed plunder. Even relaxation of environmental regulation - the right to pollute - is a giant gift of cost saving to the conquerors. The enterprise is more than merely a debt shakedown.
lindysalsagal
(20,692 posts)This is so simple, and public, and provable.
This.
Catch2.2
(629 posts)You hit the nail on the head!
Kathy M
(1,242 posts)Bankers Trust was bought / merged by Deutsche bank in 1998 , there were a few banks that merged in that time period . Deutsche made bad decision .... Bankers Trust
" There's no doubt Deutsche Bank bought itself plenty of trouble in buying BT, Wall Street's bad-boy institution.
For starters, BT executives routinely pocketed unclaimed customer cash in what prosecutors described as a vast slush fund. In 1999 the bank pleaded guilty to three felony charges and agreed to pay $63 million as part of a settlement with state and federal authorities BT was a pioneer in derivatives trading, at least until 1994 when clients Procter & Gamble and Gibson Greetings sued the bank for misleading them on those deals To repair customer relations, the bank hired investment banker Jerome Powell, now chairman of the Federal Reserve."
" BT's specialty was making loans to businesses other banks shunned and was the only major New York lender to stick with Donald Trump in the 1990s. Banks like Chase and Citibank had abandoned the real estate developer after he defaulted on loans backed by personal guarantees. Deutsche Bank remains the lone big bank to do business with Trump today, according to the president's personal financial disclosures.
In 2015, Deutsche Bank wrote its BT assets down to zero as part of a $6.6 billion balance-sheet purge. But the stink of this long-ago merger still lingers."
With all the in and out , twists and turns I hope this can all be unraveled and truth come out .
MFGsunny
(2,356 posts)MF45 knows that without doing all the Ruski bidding possible, he's gonna be in the $$$$ shizitter for the rest of his life.
Either PRISON or dozens of bankruptcies.
The dominoes are starting to fall with Scotland golf properties going first.
Bedbugs and empty rooms ..... ask Miami.
The $$$$$$$$$$$$ "LAUNDROMATS" are fast closing.
Too many playground crooks are being caught.
The banks won't play anymore the same way. Ask Deutsche Bank.
Let the good times roll ..... for us Americans!
blm
(113,064 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,794 posts)captain queeg
(10,208 posts)Dont know where shes coming from, just met a girl named...
Though I cant remember who it was. Frank Zappa?
DinahMoeHum
(21,794 posts)StocktonNative
(120 posts)The Soviet government had their eye on Trump as he was smitten over Ivanna. He became a mark to filter money after his love for Putin was well known. Yes, Trump is a Russian asset who holds alligeince to cash, not America.
sprinkleeninow
(20,250 posts)AS IT WAS IN THE BEGINNING, SO SHALL IT BE IN THE END
S 1 Then the angel showed me the river of the water of life, bright as crystal, flowing from the throne of God and of the Lamb
2 through the middle of the street of the city; also, on either side of the river, the tree of life with its twelve kinds of fruit, yielding its fruit each month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
3 No longer will there be anything accursed, but the throne of God and of the Lamb will be in it, and his servants will worship him. Revelation 22:1-3
O One of the most powerful themes of the Revelation is that God is going to rectify all that went wrong with creation in the end. Even though everything fell out of order under mans stewardship, Gods intentions for man and for all that He made will be brought into being as these verses evidence. Just as the Garden of Eden had the Tree of Life, the new heaven and earth will have the Tree of Life in it. The curse of sin is forever broken and humans in the Kingdom will live as God intended: Worshiping and serving Him and loving one another. When we see all that is wrong in our world (which is the result of mans poor stewardship, it is truly staggering to consider how complete the work of the Lord is to remove all sin in the future. John saw man, God and creation all in the order that God created them in his vision, and His words are written to encourage his audience that their present suffering for faithfulness will equate to an eternal rest and covering beyond what they could ever imagine.
A The reality of my future being one spent with Christ and being fully delivered from all evil is a heart, mind and spirit securing reality. Yet, I am not to wait for the sweet by and by! Gods work of restoration and redemption is one that I have the privilege of experiencing myself on a daily basis, as well as being able to extend His eternal life to all who seek Him. This is our gospel and it must be proclaimed! God in giving His Son forgave mans sin and now opens the door for us to begin to reclaim all that was lost in the Garden (namely our relationship with God and right understanding of how to live in worshipful-love and service to Him). What an incredible blessing to see into the future and see the reward of loving and serving Him.
littlemissmartypants
(22,691 posts)KrazyinKS
(291 posts)Living in a sea of red here, it is amazing how many people do not seem to know that. One of them had a post on Facebook yesterday with a flag and something to the effect that Democrats will not show a flag like they do. I am like REALLY!!! What a bunch of hypocrites.
Firestorm49
(4,035 posts)Drumpf has a lot of secrets - so Putin has some on him to make the US weak and chaotic - to destroy America!! Drumpf don't care - as long as he gets $$$ from Putin's friends!!
bucolic_frolic
(43,177 posts)mixed with racism. It's like Fred came back to life. And it's been set up for 20-30 years.
Warpy
(111,270 posts)after his real estate empire went bust in 2008, so he had to go to the lenders of last resort, the Russian Mob, pals of Putin. I'm sure they were quite generous, mobsters love to get assets by the short hairs.
Have they gotten their money's worth? Oh, I'd say they have, they've managed to unite the bigots against the rest of us while spiraling this country into debt we will never manage to climb out of.. Will they back him as lavishly for a second term? Before this virus outbreak, I'd have said yes, they're pushing for a full blown civil war. Now that is no longer assured, so I think they're probably pulling back on their promises.
Hotler
(11,425 posts)The Wizard
(12,545 posts)he has the dirt on Trump and is exploiting him. Putin knows Trump is a deadbeat and figures the only way to recover the money loaned would be to have access to our Treasury through the White House.
"Follow the money."
(Deep Throat)