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tavernier

(12,409 posts)
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 03:19 PM Mar 2020

I volunteer at our local high school and have noticed

that for the most part, different racial and ethnic groups tend to cluster at their own tables at lunch time in the cafeteria. They do interchange with each other in line and are always friendly and jovial, often hugs and fist bumps, etc., but like metal filings to a magnet, once they reach their tables they pretty much stick with their own.

Just an observation I was thinking about at work last week.

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I volunteer at our local high school and have noticed (Original Post) tavernier Mar 2020 OP
High schoolers are very cliquey,always have been. virgogal Mar 2020 #1
You're right lunatica Mar 2020 #4
Has it not always been this way? Under The Radar Mar 2020 #2
Pretty much... Wounded Bear Mar 2020 #6
Its around high school where signs of in group oppression are recognized and the past acts are uponit7771 Mar 2020 #3
Yes. Hmm... interesting. tavernier Mar 2020 #8
this is standard human behavior. stopdiggin Mar 2020 #5
Yes, and they do... tavernier Mar 2020 #7
There's nothing wrong with self-segregation. Aristus Mar 2020 #9
Self segregation is a sign of de facto segregation delisen Mar 2020 #10
That's valid. Aristus Mar 2020 #11
It's a Primate thing Leith Mar 2020 #12
Sharing a meal is a form of intimacy, which is why LuvNewcastle Mar 2020 #13

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
4. You're right
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 03:33 PM
Mar 2020

It was the same way when my son was in High School in the 1980s. It was the same with the sexes. Girls and boys clustered with people of similar sex.

Under The Radar

(3,404 posts)
2. Has it not always been this way?
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 03:27 PM
Mar 2020

Was when I was a kid. Always a few exceptions like those interracial dating, those with common interest like sports etc. you sit where you are welcome, right?

Wounded Bear

(58,726 posts)
6. Pretty much...
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 03:40 PM
Mar 2020

It's a natural inclination.

It does take effort to make sure that doesn't turn into exclusionary behaviors, though.

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
3. Its around high school where signs of in group oppression are recognized and the past acts are
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 03:31 PM
Mar 2020

... factored into current positions.

It becomes a shock to a certain degree then we learn out group support can get us more fair chances

stopdiggin

(11,384 posts)
5. this is standard human behavior.
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 03:38 PM
Mar 2020

we seek out (with the rare exception) that which is comfortable. Still somewhat troubling, but .. this self segregation is still several orders of magnitude better that the "enforced' segregation that held sway in earlier times. As you also noted .. the kids can mix (and match) if and when they chose to do so. And that in itself ....

tavernier

(12,409 posts)
7. Yes, and they do...
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 04:18 PM
Mar 2020

They joke, flirt, chatter happily, very different from the 50’s and 60’s when I grew up. Like you said, “that in itself” ... is a big move forward. I guess we did make some difference.

Aristus

(66,468 posts)
9. There's nothing wrong with self-segregation.
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 04:22 PM
Mar 2020

It's when it becomes institutionalized that we've gone off the rails.

delisen

(6,046 posts)
10. Self segregation is a sign of de facto segregation
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 05:25 PM
Mar 2020

and limits individual achievement for members of any non-dominant group.

Aristus

(66,468 posts)
11. That's valid.
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 05:43 PM
Mar 2020

I think we're likely to see less self-segregation as the wounds of institutionalized segregation recede into the past.

Leith

(7,813 posts)
12. It's a Primate thing
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 05:50 PM
Mar 2020
https://www.neatorama.com/2013/12/15/When-the-Actors-in-Planet-of-the-Apes-Donned-Their-Makeup-They-Spontaneously--Segregated-Themselves/

Here's a fascinating story from the filming of the 1968 science fiction film Planet of the Apes. In that movie, there are 3 ape species: chimpanzees, gorillas and orangutans. When the actors for the ape characters put on their makeup and costumes, they segregated themselves by species:

During the filming of Planet of the Apes in 1967, Charlton Heston noted “an instinctive segregation on the set. Not only would the apes eat together, but the chimpanzees ate with the chimpanzees, the gorillas ate with the gorillas, the orangutans ate with the orangutans, and the humans would eat off by themselves. It was quite spooky.”

James Franciscus noticed the same thing filming Beneath the Planet of the Apes in 1969. “During lunch I looked up and realized, ‘My God, here is the universe,’ because at one table were all the orangutans eating, at another table were the apes, and at another table were the humans. The orangutan characters would not eat or mix with the ape characters, and the humans wouldn’t sit down and eat with any one of them.



LuvNewcastle

(16,860 posts)
13. Sharing a meal is a form of intimacy, which is why
Sun Mar 8, 2020, 06:13 PM
Mar 2020

it's usually a privilege to be invited to dine with someone else. We generally want to eat with others we feel comfortable with, or else we'd rather eat alone. After all, we get our first meals from our mothers and with family members. I think a lot of this preference is related to safety; we don't want to be around people who might poison or mess around with our food. Also, I'm sure it has lots to do with similar levels of hygiene and enjoyable conversation while we fill up.

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