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CousinIT

(9,247 posts)
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 11:51 PM Mar 2020

If this crap is still around in November, who is going to go stand in crowds and vote?

Nobody....so then what?

I see nor hear NOTHING from the states about converting to vote by mail (yes I know Washington state already does that). And EVERY state should be doing that. NOW. Republican-run states don't even like people to vote so they're fine if most don't.

In a NORMAL year, Biden would easily win. But this is NOT normal.

And THAT is what scares me. We may end up with another 4 years of the MORONAVIRUS because of the coronavirus.

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If this crap is still around in November, who is going to go stand in crowds and vote? (Original Post) CousinIT Mar 2020 OP
Most (all?) states have absentee ballot procedures. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #1
Exactly, and Coronavirus isolation should be excuse enough in states that require it. Hoyt Mar 2020 #12
Many voters don't know how to do absentee and don't care enough to learn. CousinIT Mar 2020 #15
All they need to do is go to the town hall and request one. sheshe2 Mar 2020 #28
You can request online ornotna Mar 2020 #30
Excellent. sheshe2 Mar 2020 #32
We requested on line in Georgia. Just MAKE SURE Hortensis Mar 2020 #42
I would NOT trust that my mail in vote for Democrats in a red state would EVER be counted. BamaRefugee Mar 2020 #34
Cult45 will. RandySF Mar 2020 #2
Yep. ooky Mar 2020 #19
Hey, I coined that word! Goodheart Mar 2020 #3
democrats are working on vote by mail legislation and implementation in congress msongs Mar 2020 #4
who is going to go stand in crowds and vote? ME! LizBeth Mar 2020 #5
Me too iamateacher Mar 2020 #9
Yeah, I'd walk through a blizzard to vote this shit out. N/T morillon Mar 2020 #26
I will wear a space suit if necessary, but I will definitely vote on Nov 3. Meadowoak Mar 2020 #53
Me too!! mitch96 Mar 2020 #39
They REALLY need mail voting for everyone in every state. nt tblue37 Mar 2020 #6
Repukes will block it in the Senate, but the House should include emergency funds for every state to RockRaven Mar 2020 #7
I'm not sure I understand your reference to the Senate PJMcK Mar 2020 #13
FUNDS. Congress should appropriate funds for the states to use so red states cannot excuse inaction RockRaven Mar 2020 #17
Respectfully, I'm still unclear about your reference to the U.S. Senate PJMcK Mar 2020 #21
Respectfully, I am not the one who needs to brush up on how the US federal government works. RockRaven Mar 2020 #23
I'm sorry but I have no idea what you're writing about PJMcK Mar 2020 #25
Your assertion that the Senate does not need to pass spending/appropriations was false. RockRaven Mar 2020 #37
Congress has ULTIMATE power over elections. Hortensis Mar 2020 #45
Congress does not control states' voting procedures. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2020 #16
Not usually, but it CAN. House Dems have this one, tho. Hortensis Mar 2020 #46
The fact that you "see nor hear NOTHING" about vote by mail suggest you aren't looking or listening onenote Mar 2020 #8
If you are asking if it's worth my life to get rid of Trump... bluedigger Mar 2020 #10
ABSENTEE for all. elleng Mar 2020 #11
For years I voted absentee PJMcK Mar 2020 #18
We have "no questions" vote by mail all you have to do is ask for it. Maru Kitteh Mar 2020 #14
I'm more concerned this all will get milked for all it's worth... VarryOn Mar 2020 #20
We can vote absentee in WI, so that's my plan if necessary. Luciferous Mar 2020 #22
I'm gonna drop my ballot in the mail like I have done every election for 16 years. Nailzberg Mar 2020 #24
I would traladeda Mar 2020 #27
Good that you worry. There are good reasons to. tirebiter Mar 2020 #29
I always vote by mail in Colorado. Hoping to do so in November. - n/t Jim__ Mar 2020 #31
Millennials? Baclava Mar 2020 #33
His Term ENDS January 20, 2021 at 11:59 AM LovingA2andMI Mar 2020 #35
My husband and I are signed up for permanent mail-in ballots here in California. The rest of you? Hekate Mar 2020 #36
In PA I signed up to vote by mail for the primary and general in Nov. badhair77 Mar 2020 #38
To get the Dotard out of office treestar Mar 2020 #40
There will be no need for most people to do that. MineralMan Mar 2020 #41
I'll still vote, wearing gloves if need be FakeNoose Mar 2020 #43
If the polls are open, I will be there Maeve Mar 2020 #44
Tx all for talking me down from my panic.... CousinIT Mar 2020 #47
I Will Be There RobinA Mar 2020 #48
If I have to claw my way out of a cold grave, I will vote. JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2020 #49
Why nationwide voting by mail isn't a silver bullet in a pandemic CousinIT Mar 2020 #50
That is why states MUST setup for everyone to vote by mail still_one Mar 2020 #51
Have an election week, not day? Brainfodder Mar 2020 #52
We have vote by mail in Oregon. CentralMass Mar 2020 #54
Me me me lame54 Mar 2020 #55
if anything older people are less likely to vote AlexSFCA Mar 2020 #56
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
12. Exactly, and Coronavirus isolation should be excuse enough in states that require it.
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 12:00 AM
Mar 2020

We can’t let these MFers delay the general election.

CousinIT

(9,247 posts)
15. Many voters don't know how to do absentee and don't care enough to learn.
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 12:05 AM
Mar 2020

As long as it's an option - wonder if they'll do it. If it's mandatory....they can't vote any other way, that would get a lot of them off their duffs.

sheshe2

(83,791 posts)
28. All they need to do is go to the town hall and request one.
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 12:33 AM
Mar 2020

I have done that for the past few years for my 93 year old mom. It takes a minute to fill out the form.

It needs to be mailed to the voters address.

Easy.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
42. We requested on line in Georgia. Just MAKE SURE
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 09:44 AM
Mar 2020

the name you sign with exactly matches what the registrar has. A lot of absentees are thrown away if they don't.

msongs

(67,420 posts)
4. democrats are working on vote by mail legislation and implementation in congress
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 11:53 PM
Mar 2020

and at the state/local levels

Meadowoak

(5,551 posts)
53. I will wear a space suit if necessary, but I will definitely vote on Nov 3.
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 01:05 PM
Mar 2020

I'm in KY, so I get to vote McTurtle out too.

RockRaven

(14,974 posts)
7. Repukes will block it in the Senate, but the House should include emergency funds for every state to
Wed Mar 18, 2020, 11:55 PM
Mar 2020

switch to universal mail-in voting, and get it in place by November.

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
13. I'm not sure I understand your reference to the Senate
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 12:03 AM
Mar 2020

Election protocols are directed by each State. That's a Constitutional directive. The U.S. Senate has no control or influence on those processes.

Nonetheless, many of the States' legislatures are controlled by Republicans and/or have Republican governors. We must ascertain that the November elections are fair and honest.

RockRaven

(14,974 posts)
17. FUNDS. Congress should appropriate funds for the states to use so red states cannot excuse inaction
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 12:06 AM
Mar 2020

by crying "poverty." Make GrOPer state officials answer to the residents of their states why they are endangering lives when they have the means to do otherwise at their command.

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
21. Respectfully, I'm still unclear about your reference to the U.S. Senate
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 12:10 AM
Mar 2020

Spending bills are negotiated and passed by the House of Representatives. They control the "power of the purse." The Senate has nothing to do with it.

I agree with the spirit of your comment but your understanding of our civics seems illusive.

RockRaven

(14,974 posts)
23. Respectfully, I am not the one who needs to brush up on how the US federal government works.
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 12:18 AM
Mar 2020

I suggest you consult wikipedia or votesmart.org for a refresher.

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
25. I'm sorry but I have no idea what you're writing about
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 12:28 AM
Mar 2020

You've not explained your comment about the Senate.

Regardless, have a good evening.

RockRaven

(14,974 posts)
37. Your assertion that the Senate does not need to pass spending/appropriations was false.
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 01:45 AM
Mar 2020

Your claim that I was the party in need of a civics lesson, in this case, was an unfortunate foot-in-mouth moment.

I referred you to wikipedia so you could confirm the fact for yourself.

As it appears you need specific direction, I recommend the article entitled "Appropriations bill (United States)" specifically the subsections entitled "Supplemental appropriations bills" and "Appropriations process" as well as "Appropriations committees"

Good night, and good luck.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
45. Congress has ULTIMATE power over elections.
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 09:52 AM
Mar 2020
SECTION 4. Clause 1. The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but Congress may at any time make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Place of chusing Senators.

https://law.justia.com/constitution/us/article-1/18-congressional-power-to-regulate.html


Thank all the forces at once that Democratic control of the house will block McConnell & the rest of the criminals who've taken over that party from using this section in time of national emergency to steal our election. They'll have to do it other ways.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,735 posts)
16. Congress does not control states' voting procedures.
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 12:06 AM
Mar 2020

The Constitution specifically gives that power to the states.

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
18. For years I voted absentee
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 12:06 AM
Mar 2020

There was a period of time in my career where I was traveling a lot. In any month, I'd be away from home at least two or three weeks. Accordingly, I would apply for an absentee ballot and vote straight Democratic and send it in. There were a few occasions when I wouldn't actually be out of town on election day but my ballot would have already been submitted.

Why can't everyone vote by mail?

 

VarryOn

(2,343 posts)
20. I'm more concerned this all will get milked for all it's worth...
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 12:09 AM
Mar 2020

even after it hopefully wanes. Trump and team will absolutely consume public attention to the point that I can see Biden and Democratic candidates really struggling to pierce the noise. I worry people will hardly give the presidential campaign a fleeting thought when they are hunkered down.

Nailzberg

(4,610 posts)
24. I'm gonna drop my ballot in the mail like I have done every election for 16 years.
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 12:22 AM
Mar 2020

CA makes things easy.

tirebiter

(2,538 posts)
29. Good that you worry. There are good reasons to.
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 12:36 AM
Mar 2020

Be open to rational suggestion. Perspective is important.

LovingA2andMI

(7,006 posts)
35. His Term ENDS January 20, 2021 at 11:59 AM
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 01:35 AM
Mar 2020

He CANNOT extend it per the U.S. Constitution. If the worse happens, Speak Nancy Pelosi -- if Democrats hold the U.S. House and if she is still the Speaker - becomes POTUS on the same day, at Noon -- until an election is done.

badhair77

(4,218 posts)
38. In PA I signed up to vote by mail for the primary and general in Nov.
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 01:49 AM
Mar 2020

So I’m set for this year. It was simple. Took about 4-5 min online to register for the application, just needed my driver’s license number. They will mail the ballot when it’s ready. Easy peasy.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
40. To get the Dotard out of office
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 09:35 AM
Mar 2020

Will be quite motivating if it's still bad that far out. I've never been in a voting location that had crowds or lines, so maybe that colors my opinion, but I'll certainly go.

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
41. There will be no need for most people to do that.
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 09:37 AM
Mar 2020

Almost all states offer ways to vote by mail. As the election approaches, those states will be informing everyone exactly how to do that. In almost all cases, you can have the mail ballot delivered to you by mail, too.

I voted in two elections while serving out of the country in the USAF back in the 1960s. Everything was done by mail. No problem.

Go to your state's Secretary of State's website and find out how to do that where you are.

Don't Fret. Vote!

FakeNoose

(32,645 posts)
43. I'll still vote, wearing gloves if need be
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 09:46 AM
Mar 2020

I'll offer any of my neighbors a ride in my car if they need it. My county (Allegheny/Pittsburgh) is heavily Blue, but my state (PA) needs all the Blue votes it can get.

We will make sure the GOOD GUYS win this time. This is a fight to the death, in a manner of speaking.



Maeve

(42,282 posts)
44. If the polls are open, I will be there
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 09:50 AM
Mar 2020

Cheerfully helping my fellow citizens vote. And I will have already send in my absentee ballot and gotten e-mail confirmation that it has been accepted.

The states will ramp up their absentee efforts this summer, especially after seeing how the virus screwed up many of the primaries. Right now, a lot of the legislators are self-isolating.

CousinIT

(9,247 posts)
47. Tx all for talking me down from my panic....
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 10:15 AM
Mar 2020

....I'm sure you're right ie: many will just do absentee. But there are deadlines to ask for a ballot and deadlines to mail them in. Of course there are deadlines for voting too. Wondering if a lot of people will "oops" not ask for an absentee ballot soon enough. I hope if they forget they'll just go out and vote!

RobinA

(9,893 posts)
48. I Will Be There
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 11:09 AM
Mar 2020

I work in a psych hospital, so by then I will have been exposed, either gotten sick or not, recovered or died, have immunity, and be ready to go. I'll vote for Biden in PA, so that's one.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,350 posts)
49. If I have to claw my way out of a cold grave, I will vote.
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 02:39 PM
Mar 2020

Democrats, beware! If I'm crawling from my cold grave, I'll be hungry. I love eating brains.

Republicans, relax, I only like eating brains. No worries for you.

CousinIT

(9,247 posts)
50. Why nationwide voting by mail isn't a silver bullet in a pandemic
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 01:02 PM
Mar 2020
https://www.rawstory.com/2020/03/why-nationwide-voting-by-mail-isnt-a-silver-bullet-in-a-pandemic/

The below is why I say all states need to be preparing NOW for full absentee / vote by mail - with in-person voting locations maintained as well as a backup - to ensure EVERYONE can vote, pandemic or no pandemic. Otherwise, Trump likely sees this pandemic as something that will help him get re-elected due to the undoubtedly changed electorate when voting absentee or by mail -- or not at all.

. . . However, shifting broadly to absentee ballots—which arrive by mail and can be dropped off or mailed back—as congressional Democrats, election law scholars, party officials, campaign lawyers and activists have been saying is the best way to ensure voting next fall amid the pandemic, is not a simple task.

“Rushing to an all-mail voting system nationwide, without guaranteeing the reasonable availability of in-person polling sites as an alternative, thus risks inadvertently—but profoundly—changing the makeup of the electorate,” writes David Becker, executive director of the Center for Election Innovation & Research and former Justice Department voting section attorney, in the Washington Post.

“A switch to all-mail, or mostly mail, voting would also be a massive administrative undertaking,” he continues. “It requires planning, training, procurement of new technology and education of the electorate, particularly if in-person voting is being limited.”

There are formidable legal, technical and logistical hurdles that must be addressed if a shift to absentee and more early voting options emerges—starting with the fact that one-third of states limit absentee voting, and some even criminalize efforts to assist absentee voters. Before the pandemic broke, Florida’s Republican-controlled legislature was “advancing a bill that would prohibit people from helping with or returning any mail ballots outside their own family if they received any ‘benefit’ for doing so,” noted Marc Elias, who filed two-dozen voting rights suits on behalf of Democrats this cycle.

There are other challenges beyond the legal issues. These issues include the Postal Service’s ability to deliver ballots amid ongoing budget and workforce cuts, how the public will adapt to new voting regimens (March 17 primaries saw confusion and consternation as precincts closed and moved), and ensuring that voters are not disenfranchised because they lack mailboxes or street addresses.

Brainfodder

(6,423 posts)
52. Have an election week, not day?
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 01:05 PM
Mar 2020

Too many people...

We are stupid for not doing this in the first place?

AlexSFCA

(6,139 posts)
56. if anything older people are less likely to vote
Fri Mar 20, 2020, 01:16 PM
Mar 2020

and as we know the percentage of conservatives among older folks is far greater. This will be in GOP’s best interest to implement vote by mail nationally.

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