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NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 11:23 AM Mar 2020

Please check my H1N1 vs COVID-19 writeup

I was going to turn this into a thread on Twitter, but wanted to make sure I wasn't missing anything or wrong. Thank you.

Some facts for the MAGA crowd comparing H1N1 swine flu pandemic in 2009 to COVID-19

The CDC estimates the flu kills 12,000 to 61,000 Americans per year.

Here is a timeline of what happened under Obama:

First case appears in the US in late March of 2009

HHS declares a Public Health Emergency on April 26, 2009 with only a handful of cases in the country.

Within 30 days, over 1 million Americans had been tested for H1N1 (per Ron Klain, former Ebola czar)

Obama declares H1N1 a national emergency in October of 2009.

By the time H1N1 ran its course, over 12,000 Americans had died. The fact that Obama took early and decisive action kept H1N1 deaths at the very low end of the flu scale.

The day before HHS declared the public health emergency, the Dow closed at 7749.81. A year later, in April of 2010 when H1N1 had run its course, the Dow closed at 11005.97, a gain of 42% in 13 months. So, handling H1N1 properly by being prepared did not tank the economy.

Meanwhile, in Coronavirus world, Trump was warned in December of 2019 about COVID-19 and did nothing and actively suppressed attempts to prepare for the virus. The economy is tanking, the market is in the toilet, people are quarantined in their homes and who knows how many hundreds of thousands will lose jobs this month and next?


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Please check my H1N1 vs COVID-19 writeup (Original Post) NewJeffCT Mar 2020 OP
Thanks sagesnow Mar 2020 #1
thanks NewJeffCT Mar 2020 #4
Obama too decisive action, 2 months int his presidency at the bottom of a recession Walleye Mar 2020 #2
yes -check my response below NewJeffCT Mar 2020 #16
Effective and powerful. Mike 03 Mar 2020 #3
+1, I've been trying to make this very point for a week that something's wrong uponit7771 Mar 2020 #6
Yes, Obama's people tested a staggering number of people in short order! Mike 03 Mar 2020 #7
K&R, the testing part I can affirm to that is my understanding also uponit7771 Mar 2020 #5
the dates are from various articles NewJeffCT Mar 2020 #8
Excellent summation! Roland99 Mar 2020 #9
thanks NewJeffCT Mar 2020 #10
Just one suggestion here. KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2020 #11
Trump and a lot of the MAGA crowd NewJeffCT Mar 2020 #12
They need to be taken out behind the woodshed. KY_EnviroGuy Mar 2020 #13
OK - my Twitter thread on this is out there NewJeffCT Mar 2020 #14
Direct link to the response NewJeffCT Mar 2020 #15

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
16. yes -check my response below
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 05:01 PM
Mar 2020

with the quote from the guy at the right-wing CATO institute praising the United States' response and leadership to H1N1 in 2009

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
3. Effective and powerful.
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 11:29 AM
Mar 2020

According to https://coronavirus.1point3acres.com/en we just easily blew through 10,000 confirmed cases, with 1277 new cases just added so far today, and it's not even 9AM on the West coast.

Under Obama, I don't think we'd be seeing this explosion of numbers. At the very least, we'd have omnipresent testing.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
6. +1, I've been trying to make this very point for a week that something's wrong
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 11:34 AM
Mar 2020

Obama was new to his administration when the swine flu came out and they tested 1 million in a month

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
8. the dates are from various articles
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 12:01 PM
Mar 2020

that were compiled on wikipedia - April 26 was the HHS declaration of a health emergency, and I did the Dow Jones numbers myself. Job creation soared right after April 2010, or I would have put that in there

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
11. Just one suggestion here.
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 12:30 PM
Mar 2020

Don't allow this information to give them ideas about directly comparing H1N1 to this virus regarding nature contagion and risks.

Explain that they are two unique diseases and you're simply trying to point out the results of prompt, very PRESIDENTIAL leadership and action.

Great job, NewJeffCT!............

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,492 posts)
13. They need to be taken out behind the woodshed.
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 01:10 PM
Mar 2020

Snipped from an earlier post:

Here's the worst of it all:

* WHO and the CDC has made it very clear that people harboring the coronavirus are most contagious before they show any symptoms of being sick. The temperature checks are rife with inaccuracies and of little value other than to cull out those who may need to be immediately quarantined.

Now, I'm reading that people who were infected but have "recovered" can still be contagious for several days after release from treatment.

Could be wrong but I don't think those characteristics apply to H1N1........

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
14. OK - my Twitter thread on this is out there
Thu Mar 19, 2020, 04:50 PM
Mar 2020

Check out the response from a guy named SIMON - he has an article published by somebody from the Cato institute years ago praising the fantastic US response during the H1N1 crisis in 2009


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