I can't stand hearing the Chicago parents asking what they are supposed to do with their children

[RB TexLa]

YOU chose your lifestyle choice! YOU have to do something with your childen! If you have to pay for extra day care, there is nothing to worry about.

THE JOY OF BEING A PARENT OUTWEIGHS THE COST!

[scheming daemons]

1. most of these parents are working class

And struggling to get by like the rest of us.

You sound like Ann Romney telling them to just pay for more daycare!

[SWTORFanatic]

97. So are teachers supposed to never be allowed to strike?

[Zalatix]

118. Teachers rights vs parents rights, NOT THE RIGHT PERSPECTIVE.

Most parents ARE working class, and they suffer when teachers go on strike.

Teachers are ALL working class people, and they deserve the right to strike for better conditions in school and the workplace.

Neither of them are at fault for the mess that's happening in Chicago. Everyone should look higher up the chain of command for someone to condemn.

[Odin2005]

2. What a disgusting post.

Many of these women CANNOT AFFORD DAYCARE.

[valerief]

4. Yes. I doubt it's a real person. It's probably one of THEM.

They crawl up from the basement on election years.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

20. This poster has been around forever

But I'm not surprised....

[valerief]

26. Yes, they move among us, undetected, until one day--BOOM!

They drop their guard. Or we put on the magic sunglasses. Whatever. The fact is, just because they're always here, doesn't mean they're (damn, I forget what the OP was all about now).

on edit
Oh, yeah. Well, they must gotten a huge inheritance and have turned Republican. It happens.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

31. Not really

The poster has made numerous flameworthy threads like this over the years. They seem very out of touch with a lot of groups they don't personally want to identify with, especially people with children.

[Marr]

90. Indeed. Par for the course with this one, however.

[SammyWinstonJack]

120. Not unexpected at all.

[alp227]

95. And then the Republicons will say NO UNIVERSAL CHILD CARE

because that is SOCIALIZM...every time I hear those right wing turds scream "NO NO NO" like toddlers at the supermarket it confirms my view that modern American conservatism is a NARCISSISTIC PATHOLOGY that is making Barry Goldwater and William Buckley cry in their graves.

[valerief]

3. First World countries have govt-sponsored daycare. nt

[niyad]

6. exactly

[RB TexLa]

7. So the childfree can pay even more for their lifestyle choice?

[gkhouston]

12. Need a chair to yell at? n/t

[RB TexLa]

14. No, I don't. Maybe you do. I'm assuming you chose that lifestyle choice.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

106. I've made that choice, but I'd love to have the choice of

child care over never ending wars, tax cuts for he rich, corporate welfare, bloated pentagon or blooming police state.

[roguevalley]

110. I went to school and someone paid for me. I paid for you youngings

when you went to school. that is what generations do and if this country wasn't a fucking swamp there wouldn't be strikes and kids would have a place to go if there was.

I taught a zillion years. It is a big deal for putting kids some place when a strike happens. Some strikes have teachers taking day care turns. I don't consider kids a 'lifestyle choice' and I hear a lot of bitter crap in that person's voice.

WE TAKE CARE OF EACH OTHER. WE CARE ABOUT EACH OTHER.

Apparently someone here doesn't know that. This is a hard journey for both sides. I hope the teachers win soon. Save your spleen for Emmanuel. He's a fucker. And you can quote me.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

133. + 100000

[valerief]

22. Bwahahaha!

[Zalatix]

114. Epic DUZY!!!! +1,000!

[Bobbie Jo]

125. LOL!

[valerief]

21. When you can't afford an abortion, shit happens. nt

[cynatnite]

37. The childfree are paying for kids to go school. n/t

[abelenkpe]

75. Yes and the child free will have ss because those kids grow up

get a job and pay into social security so can retire.

Geez, sound like a republican much?

[cynatnite]

85. Are you sure you meant to respond to me? n/t

[valerief]

119. Yep, and the war-free are paying for wars and the

space-free are paying for Mars trips and the privilege-free are paying for massive tax cuts for the wealthy and the corporate-free are paying for massive tax cuts for massively profitable corporations, etc., etc., etc.

If paying for schools is the battle you've chosen, it's a pretty unsubstantive battle.

[cynatnite]

123. I was making the point that we all pay for stuff we don't want to pay for. n/t

[valerief]

128. Oh, okay. Right. We spend most of our lives contributing to things we don't want to.

Our time, our money, our patience. Well, unless we're born to privilege.

[Incitatus]

38. You're going to be glad they made that lifestyle choice

when you are old and depend on younger generations to be your doctors, nurses, police, firemen, etc etc.

[GreenPartyVoter]

63. Exactly.

[Luminous Animal]

71. So the carfree has to pay for car drivers?

Jeesh. This is a society. We support that which makes society healthy.

[cherokeeprogressive]

99. Your taxes go toward ten thousand things you'll never make use of.

I think this discussion is just about one of the oldest on DU.

[Zalatix]

115. Indeed. Blame the system, not the parents or teachers. Now that's a THIRD WAY I can cosign onto!!!

[niyad]

5. I am hoping this was sarcasm

[graham4anything]

8. urghhhhhhh!!!

urghhhhhhhhhh!!!

[SidDithers]

9. It's the RB TexLa show!...

I laughed! I cried! It was better than Cats!

Sid

[SickOfTheOnePct]

10. Ha ha!! n/t

[RB TexLa]

11. There is no show. You think we should have to pay for people's lifestyle choices?

[SickOfTheOnePct]

13. We do it all the time

And not just for people that have children

[scheming daemons]

15. you suck

[RB TexLa]

30. Yes, I know it's not fair that I don't have to spend money on kids and you do

cry me a river. You made your lifestyle choice.

[Telly Savalas]

49. The next time you get sick, don't fucking see a doctor

That doctor is a product of the lifestyle choice of her parents.

You don't approve of that choice, then don't fucking freeload off the efforts involved in that choice.

[a geek named Bob]

53. oh flameworthy one

you seem to have a knack for cardboard cut out set pieces.

I was wondering if I could advance order a set for the upcoming Washington Follies...

[cynatnite]

59. You pay for other people's lifestyle choices all the time. What's different now? n/t

[Hoyt]

23. Truthfully, I hope those being educated right now will keep things going for the rest of us.

I kind of view paying more -- if that is what in necessary -- as an investment in their and our future.

[RB TexLa]

27. I wasn't talking about paying for education.

[SidDithers]

24. The name may have changed, but the show remains the same!...nt

Sid

[NNN0LHI]

25. .

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

35. Do you object to paying for public education?

If you do....I suggest you don't belong here.

[RB TexLa]

39. No I don't. Everyone pays for that based on their income and what value

Property they chose to own.

[cynatnite]

40. You're already paying for a lot of lifestyle choices...why complain now? n/t

[jberryhill]

57. THOSE KIDS ARE GOING TO PAY YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE

[RB TexLa]

62. And I guess I've paid nothing toward doing that myself. Oh I'm not

A "hard working family" so nothing I pay into it counts. Just what the "hard working families" have paid. That's what counts.

[jberryhill]

76. You aren't paying for YOUR benefits

You apparently have no clue how SS and Medicare actually work.

[RB TexLa]

86. I understand what your saying if I don't make little people to pay for

It when I'm on it. You'll be damned if your children's precious money should go to paying for it. My paying for people's now isn't good enough for you.

[jberryhill]

91. WTF?

I, for one, am counting on successive generations to continue as we have done so far.

It's like being in a... oh.... what do you call it.... a society!

[abelenkpe]

83. You are completely ignorant of how SS works

[RB TexLa]

87. I understand, my paying for people on it now isn't good enough. If I don't make more people to pay

I shouldn't get any from your children. Right?

[PD Turk]

68. Hey

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YOU were a kid once too, and your parents made a lifestyle choice when they had you and raised you. Now I don't know if you were born to affluent parents or whether you just forgot what it's like to struggle if you ever did, but you've somehow wound up in a bubble devoid of any empathy or compassion, and I really can't figure out what the fuck you're doing on a message board for liberals and progressives.

Living with your head in the clouds like you do, you might not realize that a lot of struggling families depend on public schools as a part of the support system for their families in addition to their kids getting an education there. I am the father in one such family. I work a full time job and hustle up all the money I can doing side jobs but it's very tough for us these days, so the fact that my daughter(yes just one kid) gets reduced priced meals and other benefits from school is a godsend these days. I'm sure you'll be horrified to know that she also qualifies for and receives health insurance from the state through the SCHIPs program.

A lot of hard working families are in the same boat as us these days due to stagnant wages, outsourcing of good jobs and 30 years of fuckle down reaganomics in general. Many of us were doing a lot better when we decided to have kids and have been kicked in the crotch somewhere along the road.

So just get down off your damned high horse about what the fuck you "don't want to pay for" or hit the fucking road to SomaliaI'm sure you'd be much happier there

[hughee99]

78. Did you go to public schools?

If you did, try not to think of it as paying for someone else's "lifestyle choices" think of it as paying for your own education and your parents "lifestyle choices".

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

33. It should be on NBC this fall!

[Lex]

77. Heh. Exactly. nt

[dionysus]

109. vaht? he's tuff.. as nails... because thats the kind ofuncaring man he is.

he vill not drink vith you
vaht?

[tjdee]

16. It implies that school is glorified daycare.

I am completely on the side of the striking teachers, and as a single parent who used to have nightmares about having to work when my young child was out of school, I understand what the parents are going through. I think it's valid to answer that question.

However, the way it is being framed, like omg all these 400,000 kids on the streets, is hysterical. They just had summer vacation ffs. And it is really creepy, the implication that they should be in school cause their parents have to work. Not because they need to be educated (a few days isn't going to be missed in the grand scheme), but because their parents have to work.

[dkf]

32. It's not the day care aspect. It's the gangs and the shootings and all the other mayhem they are

Concerned about.

These are not normal problems.

I hate to see who gets blamed if there's some sort of shooting. That would be a no win situation for Dems or for anyone.

[HiPointDem]

36. You can blame the education deformers for the gang violence problems. *They're* the ones

who decided that moving kids out of neighborhood schools in the selective enrollment/charter model was a great idea. Which is one of the primary reasons gang violence has been escalating.

It has *nothing* to do with the strike. It's on the heads of the rahm/duncan/chicago club gang.

[dkf]

43. Elaborate please on how the gang problems were caused?

Very interesting if true. I had not heard this.

[HiPointDem]

51. Turf issues -- selective enrollment/charter schools close neighborhood schools, move kids all over

the city.

Think of it like Jets invading a school in Shark territory.



Communities believe charter schools actually increase violence

A lot of the people most affected by charter school expansion would strongly disagree with Lockett's notion that charter schools are an answer to youth violence. In fact, communities report strong feelings that charter schools, and the school closings that go hand in hand with their expansion, have actually contributed to increased violence.

The 2007 report, "Students as Collateral Damage" (Lipman and Person), includes interviews and first-person accounts of students and teachers from schools closed in the Mid-South region of Chicago during the first years of Mayor Daley's Renaissance 2010 program:

Teachers, staff, and students report that incoming students are traveling outside of their neighborhood, often crossing different gang boundary lines. As one parent stated, "We have a lot of issues with gang fights. This is the bottom line." (p. 33)

Parents, teachers, administrators and students at receiving schools report increasing concerns about the rise in discipline and safety issues resulting from an influx of new students. Concerns centering on these issues are twofold: an increase in discipline and behavioral problems in receiving schools and classrooms, and an increase in violence in and around receiving schools. (p.31)

In March, April, and May 2006, a series of articles in both major Chicago newspapers highlighted the escalating violence in schools receiving displaced students. In some instances they reported that teachers were quitting out of fear, yet CPS officials vowed to continue the school closings. The Chicago school reform journal Catalyst also reported increase in violent incidents (Duffrin, 2006) in all receiving schools in the Midsouth. (p. 32)

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/julie-woestehoff/chicago-violence-charter-schools-_b_1666630.html

[tjdee]

42. But again, these kids were out all summer!

This was to be their first day of school, today.

And again, while that is a valid concern--- is it not creepy as hell that the reasons people are concerned about kids being out of school has nothing to do with school and their actual education???

If we are merely seeking to warehouse children, why not put them to work in a few factories?

[dkf]

50. Safety is always first priority for a parent.

I doubt they care whether you would call it warehousing.

My sympathy is with the kids and their parents.

Between Rahm and the teachers, I pick none of the above. The only hero here will be compromise and a realistic assessment of the situation.

[tjdee]

102. I don't send my child to school to be safe.

I of course want her to be safe while she is there, but I send her there to receive an education. School is not only "the safe place" I send her to during the day to avoid getting shot, and not the babysitter that watches her when I am at work.

My issue is more with framing and perception of the education system by society at large, of course I care about the parents and the children.

[dkf]

103. You are in Chicago?

This is not normal. It's an extraordinary circumstance.

[tjdee]

107. We don't actually disagree.

I am not saying that Chicago is not dangerous. I am not saying that I do not feel for the parents.

I am saying that it is a shame that school in this case is principally seen as a safe haven rather than as a center for education, which is what a school actually is.

This may be a special circumstance, but that is still an unfortunate circumstance AND, as recently as Sunday the safe haven would not have been available anyway, since the kids were still on their summer vacation.

Whether I live in Chicago is irrelevant, and I don't.

[alp227]

96. FACTORIES? Newt Gingrich would like your number, hee hee.

"Are there no prisons? Are there no workhouses?"

[tjdee]

104. LOL :) nt

[RB TexLa]

66. The people I saw were getting into twin BMWs saying they didn't know what they were going to do with

their children durning this.

[mindwalker_i]

101. School IS a glorified daycare

Kind of like day-prison.

Yeah, kids learn a bit - I wouldn't give up the education I got. But more and more, it's a way to keep kids out of their parents' hair while said parents work.

[tjdee]

108. And that's a shame. nt

[Ilsa]

17. Better, neighborhoods could

Organize who-stays-home-which-day and they rotate care and supervision. At least all of them wouldn't have to miss work at once.
Some churches are offering help, too.

[HiPointDem]

18. just because cnn & the lame-ass media focus on parents who say that doesn't mean it's the norm.

in fact the union has made a huge effort to inform parents of strike plans and to rally their support.

Poll Shows Strong Support for Public School Teachers in Their Fight for Quality Schools
For Immediate Release: April 24, 2012
Contact: Stephanie Gadlin [e-mail]

Public lacks confidence in CEO Brizard and Chicago Board of Ed


Nearly three-quarters of Chicago voters have a favorable impression of Chicago public school teachers (74% favorable, 35% very favorable), and a solid majority of voters also holds positive opinions of the Chicago Teachers Union (57% favorable, 29% very favorable).

Just 15% of voters have an unfavorable opinion of teachers and 26% have an unfavorable opinion of the union.

In contrast, voters are highly critical of the Board of Education and CEO of Public Schools Jean-Claude Brizard. By two-to-one margins, voters rate the jobs being done by the Board of Education (27% excellent/good to 62% just fair/poor) and Brizard (21% excellent/good to 44% just fair/poor) negatively.

While polling from the summer of 2011 showed Rahm Emanuel fairly well regarded by the city’s voters, the mayor’s image has suffered in the intervening months. Emanuel’s personal favorability has dropped since last summer and his unfavorable ratings have jumped 11 points.[1] The deterioration in Emanuel’s image is most pronounced, however, in his job performance ratings. In August of 2011, 53% of voters thought he was doing a good or excellent job and 31% thought he was doing just a fair or poor job. Today, Emanuel’s job performance rating is evenly divided, with negative evaluations of his handling of the job surging by 16 points: 47% excellent/good to 47% just fair/poor. Hinting at one of the causes of this precipitous decline, perceptions of the mayor’s performance on education are even worse than his overall ratings (44% excellent/good to 46% just fair/poor).

At the outset, the electorate rejects the mayor’s proposal to close, consolidate, and phase out chronically underperforming schools: 41% favor to 47% oppose. Simulating an engaged debate over the issue quickly vaults the union’s position to an even more decisive lead (31% favor to 59% oppose).

Voters also side with the Chicago Teachers Union on the issue of merit pay, opposing basing a teacher’s salary on state test scores by a net of 10 points.

http://www.ctunet.com/media/press-releases/poll-shows-strong-support-for-public-school-teachers-in-their-fight-for-quality-schools

[woo me with science]

19. Thank you for correcting the obvious propaganda we will be hearing ad nauseum.

Parents support teachers and good schools. Sometimes it is necessary to fight for that.

[alcibiades_mystery]

28. You shoulda heard the honking horns and seen the thumbs up all over Chicago this morning

The strike is popular.

[woo me with science]

100. Excellent, excellent news.

I guess that's why the propaganda is so thick.

[senseandsensibility]

41. This should be an OP

Many, even on DU, are not informed about this. I think it should be sent to Rachel, Laurence, Tweety, etc. as well.

[HiPointDem]

55. It's now an OP. Please kick & rec.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021316384

[abumbyanyothername]

29. Put them in daycare for a week or two

Then beg Emmanuel to raise taxes so that cheaper, institutional methods can be used.

[cynatnite]

44. Yeah, so what if they can't afford daycare. Who cares if they only make minimum wage.

You tell 'em!



'Scuse me while I go puke over this RW garbage you just spewed DU with.

[davidthegnome]

46. ...wow...

I'm curious as to what exactly you might know about that lifestyle choice. Do you now, or have you in the past had children for whom you had to pay for daycare? Let me tell you, for a working parent, it is absurdly expensive. Now, when I say "working", I'm not talking about people like Rahm, or his buddy Paul Ryan - but people more like, say, a telemarketer, or a dish-washer, a factory worker. Maybe a Police Officer or even, actually, a Teacher.

The joy of being a parent does indeed outweigh the cost, but you still must have some funds to survive. Paying more for extra day care may very well mean not being able to pay for dental care. It may mean not being able to make the next electric payment, or coming up a little short on rent. It could mean far worse, too, depending on how long the strike lasts.

The way our society is designed requires most of us without great means to send our children to public school (I'm not complaining about this) while also having to maintain a job to just survive, let alone thrive. As someone who has struggled with such situations I find that your post lacks empathy, understanding, knowledge or experience regarding the subject you are talking about.

[Incitatus]

47. "We believe we're all in this together is a far better philosophy than you're on your own."

[laundry_queen]

116. Paraphrasing here

from the DNC and Mr. Castro - In the end, the American dream is not a sprint, or even a marathon, but a relay.

I think the OP has just dropped the baton.

[RegieRocker]

48. Now you know why they think

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teachers are just baby sitters and they should get paid as such.

[alp227]

94. +1, as I was finishing high school I realized...

some parents just think that school=day care for their big kids.

[nadinbrzezinski]

52. Damn I did not realize Mr. Eastwood has been posting here for years

[davidthegnome]

54. Thanks...

Keyboard is all wet now... dangit...

[cynatnite]

60. DUzy! n/t

[jberryhill]

56. It is very tough on working parents

Not an easy situation all the way around, but, seriously....

WHO DO YOU THINK IS GOING TO BE PAYING FOR YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY?

[Skittles]

58. mmm...I don't have any kids but....

I know it is very, very difficult indeed for working folk to make and afford changes in routine like that

[tritsofme]

61. I hope these kids don't grow up and decide keeping you alive is a too expensive a lifestyle choice

[Downwinder]

64. If I were still in 7th grade up there,

I would be down on the picket line.

[jberryhill]

65. I can't stand the idea that those kids will pay your social security and medicare

Do have the courtesy not to burden them when you are older.

Okay?

[RB TexLa]

67. I pay into that as well I'm not a participant in that because I'm not a "hard working family?"

I could have sworn the money I pay into that is just as fucking green as yours or your childrens. I guess not in your eyes, huh?

[cynatnite]

70. You're paying for lifestyle choices all the time. n/t

[jberryhill]

73. Yes, you are paying for current beneficiaries

Neither SS nor Medicare puts your money in a bank account with your name on it.

In both programs, current beneficiaries are paid by current taxpayers.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but your money is not waiting for you in a box with your name on it.

Each working generation is paying for the current beneficiaries.

[RB TexLa]

88. I understand that. If your children should die before you are on it, will you give up your benefits

how could you in your right mind steal from other people's children if yours die before they can pay for yours? No way you could think you deserve to take from other people's kids right?

[jberryhill]

92. I hope whatever you took wears off in a while

Have fun while it lasts.

One of my adult children is blind, and receives supplemental social security. She also works a full time job and, believe it or not, contributes to both SS and medicare.

You want her dead... whatever. Buh-bye.

[RB TexLa]

98. No, I do not want her dead. But you liked pointing out that children would be paying my SS

Seems to indicate that my paying in without having children to pay when I'm on it isn't good enough or as good of a contribution as you and other "hard working families" make to it. I assume you would understand that if your children aren't there to pay when you are on it you would be doing the same thing I am doing.

[jberryhill]

105. Yes, that is correct

Which is why I believe in a society that cares for children.

It takes more workers to support a social security recipient than my two children from my first marriage, and the three whom I decline to call "stepchildren" with whom I was blessed in my second marriage, given that one is disabled.

The weirdness here is what you are reading into the simple statement that other people's children are going to be paying for your social security and medicare.

Your teabagger reflex is to take that as some kind of insult, instead of what it is intended to be - a reminder that WHETHER YOU HAVE CHILDREN OR NOT, YOU HAVE A STAKE IN THE NEXT GENERATION.

That's part of what America is about.

Absolutely, I intend to be doing the same thing you will be doing. It is the same thing we will all be doing, and it binds our collective interest in the education and care of children - not MY children or THEIR children, but AMERICA'S CHILDREN.

[abelenkpe]

72. The parents have to go to work

So they can care for their children. How difficult is that to understand?

[Lex]

74. I know you sit back and enjoy everyone getting riled up at your inflammatory OPs.

And I know you have a history of it.

Sooo . . . enjoy.

[alphafemale]

79. It was just summer break.

Do with the kids whatever you were doing then.

[gkhouston]

81. Send them to a Y program that's only open in the summer?

That'll work.

[HangOnKids]

134. Thank GAWD You Don't Have Children

Knowing that just makes my day!

[abelenkpe]

80. You sound like a tea bagger. Congratulations

[ret5hd]

82. you dont childrear with us!

[davidthegnome]

84. So, about math...

I was just thinking, I'd like to post about a subject I know nothing about. Did you know that 8 + Y - -13 + X = WTF?

Neither did I.

[ananda]

89. Stand in protest with teachers!

That's what.

[Electric Monk]

93. This post would be hidden by jury decision

if I wrote what I think of you and your attitude to others.

[Jennicut]

111. You are a taxpayer. You pay for children even if you don't want to.

My town needed a new high school. So it was built. With money from people that may or may not have children. Your questioning why you should pay for people's "lifestyle choice" is irrelevant. You already do. Unless you plan on becoming a libertarian or ultra conservative. And even then public education is not going away.

[Skittles]

112. I don't have any kids but....

I like being around educated people so I don't mind paying for taxes for a new high school!

[Jennicut]

117. And I had no problem with it either.

Of course, my kids are going to attend that school someday but I paid taxes for public school before I had children as did everyone in the United States.

[JVS]

113. It's just their way of making clear that they don't give a shit about schools so long as they have..

a warehouse to cram their kid into.

[AngryOldDem]

121. Wow.

Please tell me this is sarcasm.

Otherwise, this ranks as one of THE most disgusting posts I've ever seen here.

[porphyrian]

122. I'm not personally that bitter about it, but I understand the sentiment.

One thing many people, especially people with children, don't seem to understand is a) not everyone likes kids, b) not everyone wants kids and c) not everyone is able to have kids. For people in these groups, it often seems like other people have the attitude that "everything is about the children." If you are a woman who has had five miscarriages trying to have her own child, this can be offensive. If you are a homosexual couple in a hostile state that doesn't allow you to adopt, this can be offensive. If you simply choose not to have kids, this can be offensive. In fact, the tax breaks and other benefits offered to people who do have children can be seen as discrimination against those who do not, which can be offensive. Just as Christians usually do not realize how pushy and in-your-face their expression of their beliefs can be to someone who is not Christian, people with kids often have no empathy for those who do not.

I don't know if this explains the OP's position or not, but it's something to think about. The world is not all about the children. They play a major role and deserve protection, but don't assume everyone feels the same way you do about them.

[slackmaster]

124. They feel that a deal has been busted, and that they have been hung out to dry.

[HappyMe]

126. Well, bless your teabagger heart. nt

[Carnage251]

127. This may be the worst post I've seen on this site

How many school aged kids are in day care?
Also could you act like an adult and not type in ALLCAPS?

[hughee99]

129. Think of it as paying for your own education after the fact,

instead of paying for someone else's now.

[hobbit709]

130. And what did these parents do in the summer?

[LanternWaste]

131. too long since you've received your last hug....?

"THE JOY OF BEING A PARENT OUTWEIGHS THE COST! "
What precisely are the two sums (joy, and cost), and on what objective measure are those two sums based upon?


"If you have to pay for extra day care, there is nothing to worry about."
What specifically leads you to believe that?





Or has it merely been too long since you've received your last validating hug....?

[Arugula Latte]

132. Really? This is what you're upset about?

Okaaaaay...

BTW, are you getting enough fiber?