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Capn Sunshine

(14,378 posts)
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:24 PM Sep 2012

Our Right winger relatives- need help with a new email-wtf is Military.com?

Hi Duers. This seems to be making the rounds- got it from two RWer relatives in that Obama-hatin' red state , Missouri. I received this link from Military.com and it's this video of the weasels that claim something or other about Obama taking credit instead of the Military for killing Osama Bin Laden. Or something.

http://www.military.com/video/forces/special-operations-forces/dishonorable-disclosures-full-length/1789529826001/#.UC_euwCWJLk.facebook

I'm in the midst of some serious work here; I don't have time to debunk this , but I know it's bullcrap- can someone drop some links for me? A simple Google search in several iterations does not do it

And who the F are these guys behind Military.com?

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Our Right winger relatives- need help with a new email-wtf is Military.com? (Original Post) Capn Sunshine Sep 2012 OP
And at the same time they have no problem with bush jr having Angry Dragon Sep 2012 #1
Found this by following link on the same page. Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #2
Aha! I know about those opsec weasels Capn Sunshine Sep 2012 #10
It's basically one guy....Christopher Michel Raster Sep 2012 #3
I'm putting this Michel guy in the blender. He has not come up on my radar before Capn Sunshine Sep 2012 #11
my spidey sense tells me WARMONGER and worth watching Raster Sep 2012 #16
PolitiFact has debunked this propaganda. Lasher Sep 2012 #4
awesome. right on the money! Capn Sunshine Sep 2012 #12
Links to video of Obama's announcement and transcript: Tennessee Gal Sep 2012 #5
Military.com is a general military site... Number_9 Sep 2012 #6
That was my impressin as well until I read about the RW funding Capn Sunshine Sep 2012 #13
‘No Easy Day’ for Obama critics in ‘Dishonorable Disclosures’ Lasher Sep 2012 #7
Here is some info: SunsetDreams Sep 2012 #8
Thanks Capn Sunshine Sep 2012 #9
My pleasure :) SunsetDreams Sep 2012 #14
Nonsense. RedSpartan Sep 2012 #15
Good point. treestar Sep 2012 #17
That is a great come back. tinymontgomery Sep 2012 #18

Angry Dragon

(36,693 posts)
1. And at the same time they have no problem with bush jr having
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:30 PM
Sep 2012

the aircraft carrier return to berth so he could land on it with a HUGE sign saying MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

Tennessee Gal

(6,160 posts)
2. Found this by following link on the same page.
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:34 PM
Sep 2012

The "Special Operations OPSEC Education Fund", employing the military acronym for "operational security," includes members who have been active in Republican and right-leaning Tea Party campaigns.

A former member of the Navy SEAL commandos, Scott Taylor, who ran and lost as a Republican candidate for Congress in Virginia in 2010, is identified as the group's president.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2012/08/16/ex-specops-troops-slam-obama-over-bin-laden-leaks.html



Capn Sunshine

(14,378 posts)
10. Aha! I know about those opsec weasels
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:45 PM
Sep 2012

They've co-opted a great site with excellent resources by stealing the opsec part of he name. Fuckers.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
3. It's basically one guy....Christopher Michel
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:36 PM
Sep 2012

From Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military.com

Military.com is the website created by Military Advantage to be a portal for U.S. military members. In early 2004, Military Advantage was purchased by Monster Worldwide. The company's main revenue streams are advertising, military-themed products and lead generation for military recruiters.

The website was founded by Christopher Michel in 1999 and went live in 2000.

Military Advantage's advisory board includes two former members of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, as well as other academic and business leaders. President of Military.com, Admiral Terry "T" McCreary served as the Chief of Naval Information (CHINFO) on the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Military.com, which claims more than 10 million members, also owns Fredsplace.org, Defensetech.org, Milblogging.com, DoDBuzz.com and MilitaryBenefits.com.

Christopher Michel (from Wikipedia):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Michel

Christopher Michel is a photographer, investor & entrepreneur. He is the founder of Affinity Labs and Military.com and currently runs Nautilus Ventures, a seed venture fund. In 1999, he founded Military.com, an online portal for servicemembers, veterans and their families. In 2006, Michel founded Affinity Labs, which runs a portfolio of online professional communities. The first, launched in March 2007, was PoliceLink.com. Both Military.com and Affinity Labs were purchased by Monster Worldwide.

Nautilus Ventures portfolio companies include Palantir, Castlight Health, Alliance Health, Peek, Tinker, Verbify, BranchOut, Ne Timeas, HealthCPA, GoodReads, Bespoke Innovations, Course Hero, Verbify, CR Reality, Pangea 3, RelateIQ, Flour & Water, Park Tavern, Ruby Ribbon, etc. Michel serves as a Director of International Data Group, Dale Carnegie, Kixeye and Castlight Health. He's also a Trustee of the Marine Corps University Foundation. He previously served on the boards of the USO, U.S. Naval Institute (USNI), the USS Arizona Memorial Fund, and the U.S. Navy Memorial Foundation. He was also an Entrepreneur-in-Residence at Harvard Business School during the 2010-2011 school year.

Prior to his business career, Michel served as a Naval Flight Officer in the United States Navy. While on active duty, Michel flew as a Navigator, Tactical Coordinator and Mission Commander aboard the P-3C Orion aircraft. Following his operational tour, he worked in the Pentagon as Aide to the Chief of the Naval Reserve.

Michel serves on the oversight committee for the Division on Earth and Life Studies (DELS), one of six study divisions of the National Academies. He is also an advisor to the Center for Investigative Reporting (CIR), the nation's oldest nonprofit investigative news organization, and the Oxford Internet Institute (oii) at the University of Oxford.

<snip>

Michel earned his commission from the NROTC program at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, where he graduated Phi Beta Kappa and was selected as the distinguished naval graduate. He also holds an MBA from the Harvard Business School and an honorary doctorate from Tiffin University. Michel was named a Henry Crown Fellow of the Aspen Institute and serves as a life member of the Council on Foreign Relations.

Capn Sunshine

(14,378 posts)
11. I'm putting this Michel guy in the blender. He has not come up on my radar before
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:47 PM
Sep 2012

scary RW money cats are the worst , both to do busiess with and as a threat to the community at large.

Lasher

(27,597 posts)
4. PolitiFact has debunked this propaganda.
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:46 PM
Sep 2012

The following three claims are made in the same 22 minute video:

Group says Obama administration 'willfully leaked' existence of computer worm used against Iran - HALF TRUE

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/24/special-operations-opsec-education-fund/group-says-obama-administration-willfully-leaked-e/

"Days after the (Osama bin Laden) raid, Hollywood was invited into the White House so that they could receive a briefing" that revealed intelligence sources and methods - MOSTLY FALSE

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/20/special-operations-opsec-education-fund/group-says-obama-revealed-secret-information-holl/

Group blames Obama for linking CIA to a Pakistani doctor - FALSE

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/22/special-operations-opsec-education-fund/group-blames-obama-linking-cia-pakistani-doctor/

Tennessee Gal

(6,160 posts)
5. Links to video of Obama's announcement and transcript:
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:46 PM
Sep 2012

video: http://live.wsj.com/video/president-obama-full-speech-on-bin-laden-killing/B8F0786A-37F2-49A9-B9FB-8E7064177B0C.html#!B8F0786A-37F2-49A9-B9FB-8E7064177B0C

transcript: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/02/osama-bin-laden-dead-obama-speech-video-transcript_n_856122.html

In the transcript Obama talks about the decision making process (any President would have had the final say) to proceed with the raid to get Bin Laden. He most definitely gave our intelligence and military professionals praise for their actions.

Part of the transcript:

"Tonight, we give thanks to the countless intelligence and counterterrorism professionals who've worked tirelessly to achieve this outcome. The American people do not see their work, nor know their names. But tonight, they feel the satisfaction of their work and the result of their pursuit of justice.

We give thanks for the men who carried out this operation, for they exemplify the professionalism, patriotism, and unparalleled courage of those who serve our country. And they are part of a generation that has borne the heaviest share of the burden since that September day."

 

Number_9

(32 posts)
6. Military.com is a general military site...
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 10:50 PM
Sep 2012

... useful for those entering the Service. They also have military videos and pictures and a forum.

Any problems with the video should be taken up with the OPSEC group. Military.com is just the dumping ground and the google shows the clip on multiple other sites.

Capn Sunshine

(14,378 posts)
13. That was my impressin as well until I read about the RW funding
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:49 PM
Sep 2012

lot of impressionable people read that.

Lasher

(27,597 posts)
7. ‘No Easy Day’ for Obama critics in ‘Dishonorable Disclosures’
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:14 PM
Sep 2012
The Special Operations OPSEC Education Fund is a nice sounding name for a group of former military special-operations men who don’t like President Obama much. In a film called “Dishonorable Disclosures,” they criticize him for what they see as his taking too much credit for the killing of Osama bin Laden, the mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks on the United States who became the most wanted man on the planet. And with no evidence, they accuse the president of leaking classified information to make himself look good.

With a lot of sinister music and action-movie graphics, these retired special-operations guys talk for 22 minutes about all the things Obama did and said that they believe undermined operational security and put lives at risk. There’s even a guy in shadow and altered voice to protect his identity. If Jason Bourne had made a cameo I wouldn’t have been surprised.

Scott Taylor, identified as a Navy Seal during Operation Iraqi Freedom, was among the many expressing grave concern about the president’s actions.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/no-easy-day-for-obama-critics-in-dishonorable-disclosures/2012/08/23/861dcf2c-ed12-11e1-9ddc-340d5efb1e9c_blog.html

SunsetDreams

(8,571 posts)
8. Here is some info:
Mon Sep 10, 2012, 11:17 PM
Sep 2012

Conduct Unbecoming RE: (OPSec, Right Wing Group Trying to Swiftboat Obama)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021159075

Opsec Education Fund Inc.: From heroes to liars swiftboating a President
http://www.examiner.com/article/opsec-education-fund-inc-from-heroes-to-liars-swiftboating-a-president

If Obama shouldn't get credit for bin Laden mission, who should? A look at partisan criticism
http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/12813133-if-pres-obama-shouldnt-take-credit-for-killing-bin-laden-who-should-a-look-at-the-partisan-criticism

Why The New SEAL Ad Is As Outrageous As The Obama Leaks It's Attacking
http://www.businessinsider.com/these-seal-attack-ads-are-as-outrageous-as-the-obamas-leaks-theyre-attacking-2012-8

The Worst-Ever Attempt at Swiftboating
http://prospect.org/article/worst-ever-attempt-swiftboating

Are 'Swift Boat' attacks on Obama bogus?
http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/17/opinion/bergen-obama-swift-boat/index.html
(Peter Bergen was the only journalist allowed in Bin Laden Compound, excellent read)

This Former SEAL Attacking Obama's 'Leaks' Has A Very Big Secret Of His Own
http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-leak-attackers-turn-out-to-be-talkers-themselves-2012-8

Joint Chiefs chairman 'disappointed' by Swiftboating II
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/22/1122899/-Joint-Chiefs-chairman-disappointed-by-Swiftboating-II


Who is Former Navy SEAL Benjamin Smith?
http://www.whoisformernavysealbenjaminsmith.com/
(He was also Andrew Breitbart bodyguard, huge member of Tea Party, and supposedly responsible for getting several Tea Party members elected to congress)

In Facebook postings, OPSEC spokesman rips ‘Communist-in-Chief Hussein Mao-bama’
http://thecable.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/08/21/in_facebook_postings_opsec_spokesman_rips_communist_in_chief_hussein_mao_bama

Fact check: Conservative group selectively edits President Obama’s words on Osama bin Laden
http://www.barackobama.com/truth-team/entry/fact-check-conservative-group-selectively-edits-president-obamas-words-on-o/

Group blames Obama for linking CIA to a Pakistani doctor
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/22/special-operations-opsec-education-fund/group-blames-obama-linking-cia-pakistani-doctor/

Group says Obama revealed secret information to Hollywood filmmakers
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/20/special-operations-opsec-education-fund/group-says-obama-revealed-secret-information-holl/

Founder Of Obama Swift Boating Group: ‘I’m A Birther’
http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/08/17/709231/founder-of-obama-swift-boating-group-im-a-birther/

Group Attacking Obama On Leaks Has Deep GOP Ties
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/group-attacking-obama-on-leaks-has-deep-gop

Swiftboating II: Republicans angry that Bin Laden is dead
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/16/1120790/-Swiftboating-II-Republicans-angry-that-Bin-Laden-is-dead


Snopes
http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/navyseal.asp


There are plenty of sources out there that have debunked these frauds but those should get you started.





RedSpartan

(1,693 posts)
15. Nonsense.
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 12:12 AM
Sep 2012

Not crediting Obama for killing bin Laden because he only authorized the mission but didn't pull the trigger is like not blaming bin Laden for 9/11 because he only authorized the attack but didn't fly the planes.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
17. Good point.
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 04:46 AM
Sep 2012

Another comeback I had was that that meant they were not blaming President Carter for the failed hostage rescue mission.

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