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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWould a candidate saying they want to help "hard working Straights" or "hard working Whites" be
acceptable?
Why are their promises to help "hard working families" ok?
Lasher
(27,597 posts)Would you mind watching the kids for a few days? My wife and I have to work and we don't know what to do with them while the teachers are striking.
Confusious
(8,317 posts)The family is the basic multiple unit of individuals.
You can have hard working black families, Grey families, yellow families, gay families. I figured my cat and I were a family, before I had to put her to sleep.
I find your entire post ridiculous.
It's PC word police run F*ing amok.
FreeState
(10,572 posts)that may or may not mean they have a offspring. 1 in 5 (20%) of women in their 40s are childless. Either way saying that "family" is more important than any other person is both harmful and discriminatory. Not only do women's issues get less funding, but single women get less research into socioeconomic issues and health issues. I think the OP makes a valid point.
Confusious
(8,317 posts)Last edited Tue Sep 11, 2012, 01:50 AM - Edit history (1)
Families are just as important as they ever were especially for children. (any LOVING family)
Bullshit. proof?
I hear studies about women all the time. Families? can't remember the last time.
(While we're on the bullshit track, I think it would take away funding for children's issues. Why do you want to take away funding for children's issues?)
I think it's just a "thing" of, I don't (want to/can't/won't) participate so I'm going to try and make it suck for the rest of you, and if I can't, then at least I can try and make you feel guilty.
BTW I'm single.
FreeState
(10,572 posts)I hear studies about women all the time. Families? can't remember the last time.
http://www.chambersfund.org/documents/gender-matters.pdf
According to national figures compiled by The Foundation Center for grants awarded in 1999 only 6.4% of all foundation dollars were designated for programs that specifically benefit women and girls (Lawrence, Gluck, & Ganguly, 2001). Researchers have been tracking this per- centage since the 1970s, when two reports focused the attention of the philanthropic world on the relatively small proportion of foundation dollars that were intentionally directed to women and girls. In 1975, Mary Jane Tully reported in Foundation News that less than .5% of all foundation funding went to programs specifically for women and girls. In 1979, the Ford Foundation issued a report documenting that [in 1976] only .6% of the more than $2 billion in foundation grants were specifically designated to benefit women and girls (Ford Foundation, 1979).
and here is more:
http://feminist.org/research/philanthropy/p_roots.html
Google it- there is a lot of data on it being underfunded.
I think it's just a "thing" of, I don't (want to/can't/won't) participate so I'm going to try and make it suck for the rest of you, and if I can't, then at least I can try and make you feel guilty.
BTW I'm single.
Where did I say I wanted to take away funding? Talk about bullshit. I never said or implied that. There is plenty of funding to go around - saying that one group is underfunded in no way implies to take it away from another.
Confusious
(8,317 posts)Education? Men are falling further behind. Your study talks about funding education for women, yet 60% percent of people graduating from college these days is a woman.
Usually, if people talk about where the money goes, and they don't tell you where it ALL goes, it makes me wonder. Your foundation report simple said 5% of the money goes for things specifically women. Until I see the other 95%, Until I see some reports on the percentage of money awarded to things specifically for men, I'm going to be skeptical. If it's the other 95%, then yea, I think that's a problem. But somehow, I don't think so.
What about the dollars that go to cancer research, or something else that benefits both men and women? Shouldn't that be counted? Or do things that affect us all not count?
One other thing:
If it's a foundation, they got a limited amount of money each year. If they fund one thing, they can't fund something else.
I also believe it was you who said:
So if we support the family, women's issues get less funding. Isn't it you who said that? And said something completely different above?
You defeated your own argument it seems.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)Either children, or elderly parents, or siblings, or spouses, or partners.
People who are alone in the world with no family obligations are the minority by far.
This is getting silly.
FreeState
(10,572 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)The Straight Story
(48,121 posts)And the only choice that will keep this country going in the future (no kids, no population, no workers, no SS, etc).
MercutioATC
(28,470 posts)loyalsister
(13,390 posts)On the other hand, I do dislike "people who work hard, and play by the rules." That one feels exclusionary to me because "rules" don't always work in my favor. In fact, some work against me.
Confusious
(8,317 posts)No they don't.
If you're middle class, and compare to middle class rules, then it works.
If you're poor, you're kinda f*ked.
loyalsister
(13,390 posts)Believe me, I know
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)You are reading something odd into the word "family".
A family is whatever you make it, whether it is the Osmond family, the Gambino family, or the Manson family.
The gay members of my family work as hard as anyone else.
David__77
(23,420 posts)Further, it is still the unit responsible for the primary care of children, who are deserving of special consideration by the government. I have no problem with this, although I agree that those without children or partners should be considered as well and not overlooked.
cali
(114,904 posts)"families" is not.
that simple. there is nothing wrong with that phrase whatsofucking ever.
sometimes DU reads like parody. Your post could have come directly from The Onion.
Oh, btw, I've heard Bernie use that phrase many times.