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Would a candidate saying they want to help "hard working Straights" or "hard working Whites" be (Original Post) RB TexLa Sep 2012 OP
Because the herd must be replenished. Lasher Sep 2012 #1
You are taking things way to far Confusious Sep 2012 #2
50% of the population is not married FreeState Sep 2012 #4
I think you're both delusionary now Confusious Sep 2012 #6
Heres the info on that - and note I never said families arent important FreeState Sep 2012 #14
Well, you know, it cuts both ways Confusious Sep 2012 #16
Most people in America have families. Honeycombe8 Sep 2012 #7
How is it silly to advocate for them? n/t FreeState Sep 2012 #15
Perhaps it was meant as an illustration of what "Jumping the Shark" looks like. nt Bonobo Sep 2012 #9
Because a family is a choice The Straight Story Sep 2012 #3
I get your point, but you're REALLY reaching MercutioATC Sep 2012 #5
:families" doesn't actually exlude the people you refer to loyalsister Sep 2012 #8
If you compare to Rmoney rules Confusious Sep 2012 #11
If you're poor, you're kinda f*ked loyalsister Sep 2012 #12
What the FUCK does "family" exclude? jberryhill Sep 2012 #10
"Families" has definitionally included many arrangements. David__77 Sep 2012 #13
whites is exclusionary. Straights is exclusionary. cali Sep 2012 #17

Lasher

(27,597 posts)
1. Because the herd must be replenished.
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 12:43 AM
Sep 2012

Would you mind watching the kids for a few days? My wife and I have to work and we don't know what to do with them while the teachers are striking.

Confusious

(8,317 posts)
2. You are taking things way to far
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 12:43 AM
Sep 2012

The family is the basic multiple unit of individuals.

You can have hard working black families, Grey families, yellow families, gay families. I figured my cat and I were a family, before I had to put her to sleep.

I find your entire post ridiculous.

It's PC word police run F*ing amok.

FreeState

(10,572 posts)
4. 50% of the population is not married
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 12:48 AM
Sep 2012

that may or may not mean they have a offspring. 1 in 5 (20%) of women in their 40s are childless. Either way saying that "family" is more important than any other person is both harmful and discriminatory. Not only do women's issues get less funding, but single women get less research into socioeconomic issues and health issues. I think the OP makes a valid point.

Confusious

(8,317 posts)
6. I think you're both delusionary now
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 01:09 AM
Sep 2012

Last edited Tue Sep 11, 2012, 01:50 AM - Edit history (1)

Families are just as important as they ever were especially for children. (any LOVING family)

"harmful and discriminatory. Not only do women's issues get less funding, but single women get less research into socioeconomic issues and health issues."


Bullshit. proof?

I hear studies about women all the time. Families? can't remember the last time.

(While we're on the bullshit track, I think it would take away funding for children's issues. Why do you want to take away funding for children's issues?)

I think it's just a "thing" of, I don't (want to/can't/won't) participate so I'm going to try and make it suck for the rest of you, and if I can't, then at least I can try and make you feel guilty.

BTW I'm single.

FreeState

(10,572 posts)
14. Heres the info on that - and note I never said families arent important
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 03:18 AM
Sep 2012
Bullshit. proof?

I hear studies about women all the time. Families? can't remember the last time.


http://www.chambersfund.org/documents/gender-matters.pdf
According to national figures compiled by The Foundation Center for grants awarded in 1999 only 6.4% of all foundation dollars were designated for programs that specifically benefit women and girls (Lawrence, Gluck, & Ganguly, 2001). Researchers have been tracking this per- centage since the 1970s, when two reports focused the attention of the philanthropic world on the relatively small proportion of foundation dollars that were intentionally directed to women and girls. In 1975, Mary Jane Tully reported in Foundation News that less than .5% of all foundation funding went to programs specifically for women and girls. In 1979, the Ford Foundation issued a report documenting that [in 1976] only .6% of the more than $2 billion in foundation grants were specifically designated to benefit women and girls (Ford Foundation, 1979).


and here is more:

http://feminist.org/research/philanthropy/p_roots.html

Google it- there is a lot of data on it being underfunded.

(While we're on the bullshit track, I think it would take away funding for children's issues. Why do you want to take away funding for children's issues?)

I think it's just a "thing" of, I don't (want to/can't/won't) participate so I'm going to try and make it suck for the rest of you, and if I can't, then at least I can try and make you feel guilty.

BTW I'm single.


Where did I say I wanted to take away funding? Talk about bullshit. I never said or implied that. There is plenty of funding to go around - saying that one group is underfunded in no way implies to take it away from another.

Confusious

(8,317 posts)
16. Well, you know, it cuts both ways
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 04:10 AM
Sep 2012
Men die six years sooner than women. There are more than four widows for every widower.

So, it would only seem fair that more health research and health education dollars be spent on men than on women. Yet in the budget of every federal health agency, more money is spent on women’s health than on men’s. There are seven federal health agencies specifically for women. Not one for men. 39 of the 50 states have an office of women’s health, only six have one for men. A search of more than 3,000 medical journals listed in Index Medicus found that 23 articles were written on women’s health for each one written on men’s. Although a woman is only 14 percent more likely to die from breast cancer than a man is from prostate cancer, funding for breast cancer research is 660 percent greater than funding for prostate cancer research. Even the post office has gotten into the act: there is only one disease for which you can buy a postage stamp and the profits will go to research to cure the disease: breast cancer, even though heart disease kills millions more men prematurely. Before the age of 65, men die of heart attacks at three times the rate of women.


Education? Men are falling further behind. Your study talks about funding education for women, yet 60% percent of people graduating from college these days is a woman.

Usually, if people talk about where the money goes, and they don't tell you where it ALL goes, it makes me wonder. Your foundation report simple said 5% of the money goes for things specifically women. Until I see the other 95%, Until I see some reports on the percentage of money awarded to things specifically for men, I'm going to be skeptical. If it's the other 95%, then yea, I think that's a problem. But somehow, I don't think so.

What about the dollars that go to cancer research, or something else that benefits both men and women? Shouldn't that be counted? Or do things that affect us all not count?

One other thing:
There is plenty of funding to go around - saying that one group is underfunded in no way implies to take it away from another
.

If it's a foundation, they got a limited amount of money each year. If they fund one thing, they can't fund something else.

I also believe it was you who said:
Not only do women's issues get less funding, but single women get less research into socioeconomic issues and health issues.


So if we support the family, women's issues get less funding. Isn't it you who said that? And said something completely different above?


You defeated your own argument it seems.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
7. Most people in America have families.
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 01:14 AM
Sep 2012

Either children, or elderly parents, or siblings, or spouses, or partners.

People who are alone in the world with no family obligations are the minority by far.

This is getting silly.

The Straight Story

(48,121 posts)
3. Because a family is a choice
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 12:44 AM
Sep 2012

And the only choice that will keep this country going in the future (no kids, no population, no workers, no SS, etc).

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
8. :families" doesn't actually exlude the people you refer to
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 01:22 AM
Sep 2012

On the other hand, I do dislike "people who work hard, and play by the rules." That one feels exclusionary to me because "rules" don't always work in my favor. In fact, some work against me.

Confusious

(8,317 posts)
11. If you compare to Rmoney rules
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 01:49 AM
Sep 2012

No they don't.

If you're middle class, and compare to middle class rules, then it works.

If you're poor, you're kinda f*ked.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
10. What the FUCK does "family" exclude?
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 01:40 AM
Sep 2012

You are reading something odd into the word "family".

A family is whatever you make it, whether it is the Osmond family, the Gambino family, or the Manson family.

The gay members of my family work as hard as anyone else.

David__77

(23,420 posts)
13. "Families" has definitionally included many arrangements.
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 02:23 AM
Sep 2012

Further, it is still the unit responsible for the primary care of children, who are deserving of special consideration by the government. I have no problem with this, although I agree that those without children or partners should be considered as well and not overlooked.

 

cali

(114,904 posts)
17. whites is exclusionary. Straights is exclusionary.
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 04:12 AM
Sep 2012

"families" is not.

that simple. there is nothing wrong with that phrase whatsofucking ever.

sometimes DU reads like parody. Your post could have come directly from The Onion.

Oh, btw, I've heard Bernie use that phrase many times.

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