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avebury

(10,952 posts)
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 07:40 AM Sep 2012

Another perspective of the Chicago Teachers Strike

Last edited Tue Sep 11, 2012, 08:32 AM - Edit history (1)

It is my understanding that Chicago teachers were offered a 16% raise. How on earth can they be unhappy with that kind of raise? I would be thrilled if I was offered a 16% raise (and so would most of my co-workers because we are state employees who have not seen any type of raise in several years.) As far as job security, that should be based upon job performance. Classroom resources is a valid issue but going on strike is not the answer. Budgets are finite and school districts, like businesses, have to live within their means. Would they prefer a reduction in their raise from 16% to say 10% in order to free up more money for additional classroom resources?

Teacher Unions need to realize that they are never going to get everything they want because there is just not enough money. Is the community willing to downsize their police force, fire department, public works department, etc.?

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/10/us/illinois-chicago-teachers-strike/index.html

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gkhouston

(21,642 posts)
2. My understanding is that the Chicago teachers can only go on strike about pay, but
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 07:44 AM
Sep 2012

working conditions, like the number of kids per classroom and non-functioning A/C are what they really want to address.

KharmaTrain

(31,706 posts)
4. Money Means Little When The Roof In Your Classroom Leaks...
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 07:54 AM
Sep 2012

Or you can't get textbooks for all the kids in your overcrowded classroom...who you're now stuck teaching an extra two hours a day plus a longer year. As usual, when there's a teacher's strike the first thing to come out is the salaries and all the talk is about money rather than the other issues at hand here. Thanks to decreasing tax revenues the Chicago schools have cut many corners that are now coming to a head.

The money is on priorities...and the deteriorating conditions many CPS teachers face in trying to not only teach but also are in the role of absentee parents to many of these kids. I have two children who are teachers and exhaust themselves with a combination of the physical and emotional strains of their jobs...but they love what they do and who they teach...and they're making far less than $76k a year. Yet they have to look over their shoulders every year as things like NCLB and other "measures" are place them and their schools in turmoil. Then there's the tenure issue that can and should be negotiated...and can be. Right now it's a "my way or the highway" approach from Emmanuel and that's what's precipitated this situation.

Negotiations and collective bargaining are a vital part of protecting the working class...sadly unions have done a poor job in getting their messages out and always appear in a bad light when they stand up after months and years of being pushed around. Do a little studying beyond the talking points...there are some excelent posts here from Chicago teachers explaining the situation. Corporate media talking points aren't "another perspective"...

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
5. CNN reports the offer is 16% over 4 years, and that issue is nearly settled
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 08:12 AM
Sep 2012
Pay is also an issue. However, the union said the two sides are close to a pay agreement after school officials offered to increase salaries 16% over four years on average for most teachers. ....

http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/10/us/illinois-chicago-teachers-strike/index.html?hpt=hp_t1
 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
13. Part of the 16% includes the 4% raise that was rescinded last year
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 09:22 AM
Sep 2012

So it's really 16% over five years, or a little more than 3% per year. For a teacher making the starting salary, that amounts to about $1,500 per year, or $125 a month, or $75 a pay period. It's a glamorous life. Chicago teachers must also live in the City of Chicago, by the way. Play around with this Cost of Living calculator to determine what the starting salary of a Chicago teacher (about $51,000) looks like in your city:

http://cgi.money.cnn.com/tools/costofliving/costofliving.html

Finally, we should not the following. While anti-union people have been fond of noting the higher average pay of Chicago teachers (they usually leave out cost of living differential and the fact that teachers must live in the City limits by law), they rarely compare the starting pay. that's because most municipalities and suburbs around Chicago have higher starting salaries for teachers coming off the line with BAs or MAs. So, the consequence for those of us who live here is that the suburbs are far more enticing economically, since you make more starting, you can live in (often) less expensive areas, and you have better working conditions than you would in CPS.

Everybody - including the teachers - have insisted that it's not really about pay, but it should be at least in part about pay. I say this as a CPS parent and homeowner in the city of Chicago.

 

porphyrian

(18,530 posts)
8. From other threads, this strike is not just about the raise.
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 08:21 AM
Sep 2012

I'm not sure that the raise is really the sticking point at this time, either.

pinboy3niner

(53,339 posts)
9. That's right--teacher pay is not one of the two major sticking points
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 08:27 AM
Sep 2012

The CNN story inked in #5 discusses the two major issues holding up agreement.

Response to pinboy3niner (Reply #9)

avebury

(10,952 posts)
11. Being laid off should not automatically mean that a teacher
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 09:08 AM
Sep 2012

is the first one hired back when an opening occurs. Such a procedure does not allow the hiring decision to be made based upon who is the best qualified for a position.

As to job retention being linked to test score results, what is wrong with linking job performance with test result. If teachers focus on teaching the material and are successful in getting their students to process that information, I would hope that they could pass a test on the material. I thought that some states like New York required some time of annual testing to progress from one grade to another (one of my college roommates talked about it).

I personally would be far more concerned about exactly what the learning material consists of, i.e. teaching creationism in a science class, revisionism in history (as advocated by conservative republicans in Texas) and so on then the issue of test taking.

I am also far more concerned about keeping children challenged in school. I have a friend whose son entered first grade this year and I am horrified to hear what his class day is like which can only be described as the dumbing down the educational system. And this is a school where parents tend to hold their children back a year for sports so these kids should be even further ahead in the level of work they can handle. He is one of the youngest children in his class and probably the most advanced (and he hasn't been held back). If children are not kept challenged in school they tend to tune out and when they get to a level that they need to pay attention, you have already lost them.

 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
14. Thanks for the anti-labor, anti-teacher thread. Let me clear up a few of your misconceptions.
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 09:56 AM
Sep 2012

First of all, this strike is not about pay. It is about job security, teacher evaluation, and providing better classroom conditions for students.

Your hitpiece addresses job security and teacher evaluation, to a certain extent. But the problem is, you and your piece treat the fact that standardized tests as a perfectly valid form of teacher evaluation. They aren't, they never have been for a variety of reasons. Let's examine those.

First of all, standardized tests carry no penalty for the student, absolutely none. There is no motivation for the student to do their best, and many, if not most students don't. They don't study for them, they think that they're just a BS day where they can stay up late the night before playing video games and come in bleary eyed to do the test. Many students just want to get the test over ASAP, and thus go through and randomly mark the answer sheet as fast as possible while others are more creative and actually create designs while filling out the bubbles.

Secondly, multiple choice, fill in the bubble tests aren't the best form of assessment for many students. Just as there are distinctly different ways that students learn, there are distinctly different ways to best assess a student's knowledge. Some do better with essay or report writing, some do better with portfolios, some do better with presentations. Some have basic test anxiety. Forcing these students into doing a standardized bubble test insures that they are not going to do their best.

Third, every student, no matter their background, has to take these tests. Thus, students for whom English is a second language, that they are probably struggling in, still have to take the test. Students with developmental and learning disabilities have to take the test. The very same test, in the same amount of time, in the very same manner, with no allowance for their various differences and disabilities. That is recipe for failure. A kid with ADHD having to sit through four hours of testing every day for a week? Do you think that kid is going to do well on that test?

So, would you like your work evaluated on such a rubric? Basing a teacher's evaluation on such a poor and capricious model guarantees that you are not going to get an accurate evaluation of any teacher. There are much more objective, accurate and effective ways that teachers can be evaluated, but they aren't being used. Those who control education policy in this country(people who have no actual experience in the classroom) seem intent on using a one size fits all rubric that fits into their nice tidy numerical model, but doesn't reflect the diversity of students, learning styles and disabilities that are the reality of this nation's students.

As far as classroom conditions, this is a huge issue. Inner city, rural and other students from poor districts are forced to use textbooks that are out of date, factually inaccurate, or simply don't have texts. The physical plant of these schools is poor, with roofs leaking, heating and cooling weak at best, and floors and foundations that are simply falling apart. Not to mention that classes are overcrowded, students come to class hungry, and the school can very well be under assault from gangs and other thugs. This is not a conducive learning environment, but somehow the teacher is supposed to overcome all these problems and insure that all students are straight A students? LOL!

Before you continue your teacher bashing, consider this. Urban school districts like Chicago are suffering from a crisis in funding. Since schools are funded primarily by property taxes, urban districts, along with rural districts, pull in very little money. Meanwhile, suburban districts ringing Chicago pull in the big bucks. It is so very easy to produce quality students when the physical plant is new, the equipment is up to date, and the students are well fed, cared for, and don't face the daily danger of being shot or assaulted.

Worse yet, the people who administer these schools, any schools across the country, have absolutely no experience in the classroom or even stepped into a school since they graduated. School boards are made up of people who won and election, and given that RW fundies have used school board positions as stepping stones up the political career ladder, what does that do for education decisions when anti-education people are in charge of making decisions. Worse, you have political appointees like Duncan or Emanuel, who again have no teaching experience, wanting to dismantle public education in favor of a corporate model. These people are making the decisions as well, not only at the local level, but at the state and federal level.

Now then, let's take a look at what does work, and work well in the top school districts in the world. Finland and Japan have been the gold standard of education for years now. The starting pay for teachers in those systems is on par with what we pay doctors, high five figure, low six figure salaries. This kind of money attracts the best and brightest to the profession, and insures that those teachers remain in the profession. Far too many college students, who would make excellent teachers, look at the student debt they are piling up, and the pay that teachers bring down, and say sorry, but I can't afford to be a teacher.

Furthermore, instead of being the whipping boys for what is wrong with the current generation, teachers in Japan and Finland are treated with the respect they deserve. They aren't used as political footballs, the ills of society aren't laid on their shoulders, and they don't have every Tom Dick and Harry second guessing their decision, or worse, taking it the Board or the courts if they don't like what the teacher is doing.

Better yet, the people who administer the school system in these countries are education professionals themselves, with experience in the classroom. They aren't RW yahoos, they aren't career politicians using the schools to make political points, they aren't businessmen looking to drain the schools dry, they are education professionals. Wow, what a concept.

Each and every one of the schools in Finland and Japan are fulled funded, fully stocked and up to date. Textbooks are up to date, computers are widely available, labs have all the equipment they need, and classrooms have small student sizes, and all the supplies that are needed.

This is because education funding is done differently there. It isn't based on highly variable property taxes, it isn't left up to the anti-tax whim of the voters. It is more equitable, and since they actually believe in the notion that education is job one, better funded.

But hey, let's damn the teachers for trying to protect themselves and help out their students. Let us portray them as greedy, and out of touch. Let us join the politicians trying to destroy public education. And twenty years from now, when we have completely destroyed public education and installed a corporate model that produces even less educated students, who will we blame? The teachers.

Oh, yeah, one other thing, just in case you're buying into the myth that our students aren't learning, read these articles.
http://www.motherjones.com/media/2012/08/mission-high-false-low-performing-school
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/08/kids-school-test-scores-charts-kevin-drum

All this while functioning with a substandard school support system. Amazing what teachers can do.

Take your anti-labor, anti-teacher BS and peddle it somewhere else, you're fooling nobody.

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