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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy is the term "truther" used as a slur?
No matter what the subject is, I want to know the truth. Is it better to hide one's head in the sand?
Honesty is always the best policy.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)deserve the name, imo. Rather like "birther".
jp11
(2,104 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
panader0
(25,816 posts)uppityperson
(115,677 posts)jumping to conclusions
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Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)Betsy Ross
(3,147 posts)Truthiness is a Stephen Colbert term for that which may only be true to the speaker.
piratefish08
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uppityperson
(115,677 posts)edited to hide it. If someone wants to see, check edit history. Thanks.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)have titled their movement the '9-11 Truth' movement. Hence the word 'truther' used as a perjorative is being used ironically for members of the 9-11 Truth movement. The implication is that 9-11 Truthers are not interested in Truth (with a capital 'T') but in some sub-species of it peculiar to their own psychological bents. As a rhetorical device, the perjorative 'truther' functions to shut off debate and shut down questions and dialogue. If I, for example, ask who stood to benefit from 9-11 (the age-old Latin question cui bono?), a Coincidence Theorist can shut that debate down and NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION by dismissing me as a 'truther.' So be it, but the QUESTION REMAINS!
I believe most professional historians would look askance at any claim to a single objective 'Truth' in history, seeing all historical narrative as highly conditioned and situated within larger macrocosms (or "substructures," if you go for Marxist terminology). The most historians can hope for is that various biases are rendered transparent and self-acknowledged by historians such that through a process of continual 'circling around' the event or epoch, one gets at closer and closer approximations of truth. (The German philosopher of history Wilhelm Dilthey gets credit for this idea of 'historicism,' IIRC.)
BTW, I consider myself agnostic on the question of conspiracy and 9/11. I do think a fuller inquiry is warranted, one not led by Kinda-Sleezy's confidante and colleague Philip Zelikow.
Xithras
(16,191 posts)Most educated people apply something akin to the scientific method to complex topics like this one. You have a problem, you develop a theory, and you look for evidence to support it. If the evidence doesn't support your theory, you abandon it and find a new one.
Truthers are the equivalent of the Zetetics of the past century. Though the mass of evidence and nearly universal consensus of both the population and scientists are against them, they still insisted that the world was flat. They were so wedded to proving their theory "right", that the defense of the theory became more important than the search for (and acceptance of) the "truth.
And that's why it's a slur. To most people, being a "truther" is the intellectual equivalent of being a flat Earther. Is there a possiblity that the world is really flat and our perception of both it and the universe is simply warped by spacetime? Sure it is. Is there a possibility that 9/11 was really an inside job planned by Mossad and the CIA, and was carried out by slamming remote controlled airplanes into thermite rigged skyscrapers? Of course there's a possibility. Is either theory very likely? Not at all. And most people know that.
Speck Tater
(10,618 posts)All you have to do is react to every bit of leaked information by pointing, snickering, and saying the magic words "conspiracy theory". This automatically discredits the leaked information and conditions people to ridicule those who leaked the data.
If I believed in conspiracy theories that's how I would explain it. Fortunately, I don't believe in those wacky conspiracy theories. After all, I don't want people to think I'm a crazy nut job. Besides, what I actually believe makes more sense: Never resort to conspiracy to explain what can easily be explained by mass stupidity.
coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)I can call them a 'coincidence theorist.'
skypilot
(8,854 posts)...I still can't figure out exactly who the term "truther" refers to as far as 9/11 goes. I'm getting the feeling that it gets tossed around about as carelessly as the phrase "conspiracy theorist". I've been referred to as a conspiracy theorist simply because I want the truth, which would probably also qualify me as a truther. I don't propose or advance any theories. I simply believe that I--and we--have been lied to regarding 9/11. I don't believe everything I've been told and I have questions--some of which I'm surprised have never (to my knowledge) been asked by anyone in a position to hold others accountable. Does that make me a truther?
Posteritatis
(18,807 posts)librechik
(30,674 posts)are demanding an new investigation not to bolster some fantasy they already are certain about, but to ask for a new investigation so we know better what to think about the facts.
It's the idiots who say 19 guys with box-cutters took the plane down who are sticking to a predetermined script. A script full of lies derived from torture and official coverups.
I don't know what happened. That's why I want the truth.
librechik
(30,674 posts)from folks who seem to be programmed just to tear down anything that disturbs their preconceptions.