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catbyte

(34,403 posts)
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 01:37 PM Sep 2012

Anatomy of a family financial disaster

Hi all,

I thought I would write a short synopsis of how I got to where I was yesterday. Here's the thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021314507

My husband, Chuck, and I got married on Bastille Day 1984. He had been a Type I Diabetic since age 3 but was in remarkably good health. At the time he was the co-director of a local peace and justice group in Grand Rapids that was originated by the Quakers but branched out. They were mainly concerned with Latin American indigenous issues and Palestinian rights. Chuck decided that even though his job was noble, it didn't pay enough so he began working as a house painter. Even though he was a member of MENSA, he loved painting. He was hired by the hottest painting business in town. It's amazing how much money a good painter can make! I work at a public university with good benefits but the pay isn't that hot. Life was good in the 1990's. We were able to sock money away, buy a house, and managed to go to Maui every other year to watch the humpback whales. We didn't have children. Not a conscious decision, it just never happened. We had cats instead.

Fast forward to 2000. Chuck blew out his shoulders on an industrial job hand painting thick, fire-retardant paint on overhead water pipes for fire suppression. He subsequently had 2 failed shoulder surgeries, most likely complicated by his diabetes. He went on disability which lowered our income considerably, but we were ok, we just downgraded a few things. After 6 months or so, the disability insurance company decided that Chuck wasn't going to get better so they settled a paltry final settlement. The lawyers said that's the best we could do. That ran out quickly and we found ourselves struggling on less than 2/3 of our previous income. Chuck applied for SS Disability and the waiting began. We had a hard time making the mortgage payments, so we refinanced our house which ate up equity, but it kept us in it. It took almost 4 YEARS for Chuck's disability to be approved, and by that time we owed the bank more that Chuck's retroactive Social Security was. We were in deep trouble. We floundered along for several more months until it became clear that we just couldn't keep our house any longer. We sold it one step ahead of the bank and netted nothing. We moved into an apartment.

About this time I noticed Chuck was getting a little forgetful and really knew something was wrong when he took a month's worth of blood pressure medication in 4 days because he couldn't remember that he had already taken his meds. Oh, oh. He was diagnosed with vascular dementia and his health has gone downhill from there.

Fast forward to the present and my current predicament. Chuck has been in the nursing home for 18 months now. Insurance covered the first year and we applied for supplemental Medicaid which was initially turned down. This created a 3-month lag in payments that we were responsible for. The nursing home has taken all of Chuck's Social Security except for $60/month for expenses. I got socked with a huge bill a few months ago that I struggled to pay even in installments. I juggled too much and all the balls dropped last week when I came home one day and found an eviction notice taped to my door. Holy shit.

Thanks to you wonderful people I believe I will be able to avoid eviction. This is also a one-time cash flow issue because Chuck's Medicaid was approved so now I won't have a nursing home bill and I make enough to cover monthly expenses. This just goes to show you that one unexpected bill can be catastrophic.

I'm writing this as a cautionary tale for our younger DUers. Please start planning early for these kinds of disasters. I don't think we were spendthrifts, but looking back on it we should have unloaded our house much sooner than we did. Please think long term even though it's not that much fun!

Again, thank you all so much. I love every last one of you and I will never forget your kindness for as long as I live.

Diane

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Anatomy of a family financial disaster (Original Post) catbyte Sep 2012 OP
((Hug)). nt Mojorabbit Sep 2012 #1
I wish the best for you. I know your husband's health will be a continuing Laurian Sep 2012 #2
I got a divorce while I still could. I could not see Downwinder Sep 2012 #3
i dont understand ... you got a divorce for financial reasons? shireen Sep 2012 #17
With businesses we have progressed to Limited Partnerships, Downwinder Sep 2012 #19
wow. that's sad. shireen Sep 2012 #21
thank you Diane. barbtries Sep 2012 #4
Diane, would you mind if I take your name out of it renie408 Sep 2012 #5
I would be honored. Thanks. catbyte Sep 2012 #15
Hugs malaise Sep 2012 #6
kr HiPointDem Sep 2012 #7
Yeah! And to remind that Ryan's Medicaid is block-granted cr8tvlde Sep 2012 #8
K&R n/t OneGrassRoot Sep 2012 #9
Catbyte. I am so happy for you that you can live in your apartment glinda Sep 2012 #10
We are a community. Sienna86 Sep 2012 #11
I hate that we live in a country -- Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2012 #12
thank you so much for sharing that with us, catbyte magical thyme Sep 2012 #13
well, bless you and your husband Kurovski Sep 2012 #14
You did everything right, like so many have, and through no fault of your own.... mountain grammy Sep 2012 #16
Diabetes is such a terrible disease. SheilaT Sep 2012 #18
My heart is with you and yours. Thanks for sharing your personal journey with us. myrna minx Sep 2012 #20
Love, health and peace Helen Reddy Sep 2012 #22

Laurian

(2,593 posts)
2. I wish the best for you. I know your husband's health will be a continuing
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 01:51 PM
Sep 2012

concern for you, so I hope your financial burdens are reduced to the point that you can focus your attention on the loves in your life.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
3. I got a divorce while I still could. I could not see
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 02:00 PM
Sep 2012

putting my wife through what you have been through.

shireen

(8,333 posts)
17. i dont understand ... you got a divorce for financial reasons?
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 04:46 PM
Sep 2012

To help your wife? If so, this is terribly sad.

Downwinder

(12,869 posts)
19. With businesses we have progressed to Limited Partnerships,
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 05:34 PM
Sep 2012

Limited Liability Corporations (LLCs), and Chapter S Corporations. Marriage is still a General Partnership. Either Partner can entail all of the assets of the Marriage. If I had ended up in a Nursing Home, my wife would have been responsible for the tab, even if it put her out on the street without food or shelter.

Luckily the progress of the disease has been arrested. However the medications are only prophylactic. For a period i was not mentally stable enough to be around anybody for an extended period of time.

My Wife (Ex.) and I communicate on a daily basis and meet several times a week. Making the best of a bad situation.

Marriage needs to progress legally so that one Partner can't entail all of the assets. So that if your Spouse has an accident and injures someone all of your assets are not in play.

shireen

(8,333 posts)
21. wow. that's sad.
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 05:57 PM
Sep 2012

you and your wife should not be forced to make decisions like this because we have such a horrible medical care system.

But you were very smart to think ahead about how this would affect her. I'm so sorry to know that you had to do it.

barbtries

(28,799 posts)
4. thank you Diane.
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 02:05 PM
Sep 2012

i feel for all you're enduring at this time and am so happy that DU came through for you.

renie408

(9,854 posts)
5. Diane, would you mind if I take your name out of it
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 02:05 PM
Sep 2012

and borrow your story? I have so many people I know that think that people who file bankruptcy or fall on hard times are just bums who get what they deserve. Your story really illustrates how ALL of lives are like the game Jenga. Pull out just enough of the support and the whole thing falls down.

cr8tvlde

(1,185 posts)
8. Yeah! And to remind that Ryan's Medicaid is block-granted
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 02:45 PM
Sep 2012

I know what that means, but I don't know really what it means. It's not like CouponCare, but not sure how it would (not) work. Just that it's not fit for a civilized society.

glinda

(14,807 posts)
10. Catbyte. I am so happy for you that you can live in your apartment
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 03:49 PM
Sep 2012

and retain the comfort of your kitties. It is very sad what has happened to you both and especially your husband's declining health. Like I referenced before, my aunt and uncle are going through something amazingly similar in diseases, medical bills and being cut off and waiting. Even the job related illness.....they are now scrambling to figure out what to do and looks like they have to sell their small condo. They haven't even found a place for themselves yet in any Assisted...if they can afford it.
Your words of warning and advice should be taken seriously by everyone. I will not be as lucky as my dad who I just moved to Assisted. Times have indeed changed.

 

Hell Hath No Fury

(16,327 posts)
12. I hate that we live in a country --
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 04:17 PM
Sep 2012

where something like this could happen. The hoops, the delays, the financial strain -- fuck that shit.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
13. thank you so much for sharing that with us, catbyte
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 04:20 PM
Sep 2012

I am so glad you got a reprieve. I wished I could have donated, but am up against it myself. It never seems to end, sometimes...

In your other thread, you asked what to do with the excess donations. I hope you will keep them as a buffer and once you feel really out of the woods, will treat yourself to a nice thankgiving or christmas gift. Dinner out or something....

mountain grammy

(26,623 posts)
16. You did everything right, like so many have, and through no fault of your own....
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 04:40 PM
Sep 2012

Good luck, you are in our thoughts.

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