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1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 03:33 PM Sep 2012

My Thoughts On ryan's future ...

I don't think he will survive this campaign season ... he has been exposed.

I remember, back in an under-grad Psych class, reading a study that can be applied here. (I'll attempt to find a link to the study.)

In the study, Test Subjects were shown a video of a stereotypically professorial speaker ... the character was a deep-voiced man in his late 50s-earlier 60s, dressed in a tweed jacket, wore a bow-tie and was wearing wire-rimmed glasses. He was reading from what was introduced as a "highly techical, highly acclaimed, peer-reviewed" paper that he had written. But, in fact, the character was reading gibberish sentences that were structurally complex, but sound. In other words, the sentences would have made sense if the information in them made sense. For example (but not the sentence used in the study): "If one accepts the proposition that 'A' equals 'B', where dogs are cats, and the moon is subject to the tidal wave effect generated from the glacieral shifts of the sub-saharan ice flows ..."

After seating through the 1/2 hour presentation of the "paper", the test subjects were asked to complete an "evaluation" of the professor and the presentation. The evaluation asked them to rate the professor on things like: the clarity of his presentation of the paper, their own understanding of the subject matter before and after the presentation and the level of intelligence of the presenter.

The following day, the test subjects were asked to listen to an audio version of the same speech/presentation (with minor changes), but without "highly techical, highly acclaimed" introduction (and the voice was altered to reduce the chance it would be recognized as the same speaker).

The test subject were again asked to rate the speaker on the same criteria, as above.

On day three, the test subjects were asked to watch a video of a third speaker that was matched to the first speaker in every way ... same height and weight, same manner of dress, etc., and the speaker was introduced as presenting a the paper, for feedback, as a step prior in the peer-review process.

Again, the test subjects were to rate the presenter on the above criteria.

The research revealed that the Day 1 speaker was rated significantly higher than the other speakers. The research also revealed that the Test Subjects expressed more negative sentiment toward the Day 3 speaker, because he violated their visual cues while trying to pass off something that made no sense. Why?

The study concluded that, while none of the Test Subjects could have possibly understood what was being communicated, they were influenced to believe that the speaker knew what he was talking about based on their visual cues and the pronouncement that the speaker was an expert and knew what he was talking about on this complex and highly technical subject-matter.

Now, think ... How has ryan been sold? ... As a "hard working" and "serious policy wonk" capable of understanding stuff far beyond the reach of the mere mortal. And, like the Day 1 Test Subjects, the American public bought his gibberish because they DIDN'T understand it, but he had the look and reputation of an expert that knew what he was talking about.

But look what is happenning now ... ryan is being exposed as a liar, a manipulator of out of context factoids and his budget numbers "don't add up."

Now, to the hard-core right and the anti-President Obama folks this won't matter, because it is/was never about the facts; but to the rest of the American electorate, once relieved of the "what he's saying makes no sense; but his IS so much smarter than me" burden, will look at ryan in a completely different light. First, they will no longer be afraid/ashamed to say, "that makes no sense"; and secondly, like the Day 3 Test Subjects, they will say/feel "This guy was trying to play me for a sucker", and it'll be made worse, because they DID buy his line.

I'm thinking this guy is done.

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Warpy

(111,270 posts)
7. I hope they spend themselves silly, throwing good money after bad
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 04:25 PM
Sep 2012

and I hope because of it they find it less possible to diddle the commodities markets the way they've been doing.

Of course, the only thing that will make a serious enough dent in fortunes like theirs is the collapse of the derivatives casino. Since that will take everything with it, I don't wish for it. However, it would be nice to see them busted back to the level of the equity in Koch Industries.

Billionaires turned into mere millionaires are going to be lots of fun to watch.

madaboutharry

(40,212 posts)
2. He is reminding people of the last
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 03:53 PM
Sep 2012

salesman who sold them a crummy car, a shitty computer, or a refrigerator with a non-functional ice-maker. He even looks like a guy who works at a car dealership or Best Buy.

As Rachel pointed out last night, he was a big fish in his 700,000 person district in Wisconsin. During his congressional campaigns he was dealing with local reporters from the Janesville Gazette. Running on a national ticket is something entirely different, and he is showing that he isn't up for the challenge.

left on green only

(1,484 posts)
3. Thankyou for all of the time and the effort that you spent........
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 03:58 PM
Sep 2012

....in delivering and developing your thesis.

Elsewhere within the confines of the right wing, I can see the intellectual trailer trash version of the same tactic that you have written about, as evidenced in the word salad ramblings of Para Salin.

I think in her case, it was a number of Saturday Night Live skits that were the catalyst that aided the public in being able to recognize her ploy. Kudos to you and kudos Tina Fey!

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RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
4. Familiar study, similar. Ryan reminds me of the losers that read "Dress for Success," and
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 04:01 PM
Sep 2012

hence in the corporations we had a parade of know-nothing MBA hollow suits.

Spazito

(50,360 posts)
5. A modern day example of "The Emperor's New Suit" ...
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 04:04 PM
Sep 2012

Ryan has been exposed as 'having no clothes' after all. I agree with you his previous standing has been permanently diminished. I am seeing confirmation of that on some of the shows and even on established online-news sites where pundits are starting to 'wonder' aloud about his knowledge and expertise.

He has been exposed, mostly by his own doing, as the charlatan he is.

Hamlette

(15,412 posts)
9. Ryan did the most damage by lying about his marathon time. Oddly enough.
Tue Sep 11, 2012, 04:32 PM
Sep 2012

He and Romney have been lying about everything, when they say anything specific at all. For Romney it was his first commercial taking Obama's quote about the economy so far out of context to this welfare thing that just chaps me. For Ryan it was his whole convention speech.

But America has a short attention span and if you have to explain things, they might not follow along to the conclusion. I was actually quite surprised that Ryan lying about his running time caught on. We'd just been talking about all his lies in the convention speech but it didn't get traction until he lied about running.

It's because for every runner in the country, they could relate to the lie. I don't run but I used to swim a mile a day. I remember someone telling me his swim coach had the whole team swin 10 miles a day when he was in school. Wow, I said, how long did that take you? We could do it in under two hours he answered. I knew he was lying. I knew the best time in the world (then) was 14 minutes and these high school kids were not swimming 14 minute miles times 10 a day. I've always remembered the guy who lied to me and wouldn't trust him to this day. Because I KNEW he was lying.

That's why his lie about running sticks. If he'd said his best time was just under four hours, I'd cut him some slack. But he didn't.

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