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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJust read something truly remarkable about the Romney family ...
... if indeed it is true. In a comment on Andrew Rosenthal's Editor's Blog in The New York Times, someone pointed out that there has not been a single military veteran in five generations of Romneys (here's a link to the comment: http://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/11/republican-turf/?comments#permid=18 ). How many American families have not had a a son, brother, father, uncle, grandfather, great-grandfather, etc., who has served? If this claim is, indeed, true, it would appear the Romney family has some explaining to do.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Romney and his father make two more generations, so that makes three.
markpkessinger
(8,401 posts). . . and his grandchildren are probably mostly too young to have served. But even limiting it to four generations, my question still stands: how many American families have had no one serve in four generations?
lunatica
(53,410 posts)My son did not serve as the military was all volunteer by then.
George II
(67,782 posts)Father served in the US Army in WWII, uncle served in the Canadian military in WWII, other uncle served in the US Army during the Korean War, brother served in the US Navy rescuing downs pilots off the coast of Vietnam, I served in the US Navy. There were others that don't come to mind.
It is AMERICAN to serve one's country if necessary. I guess Romney's are not Americans!
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)when the Revolution came, they were 'revolutionary refugees' and as such supported by the United States Government with public funds upon their arrival in the United States.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,005 posts)Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)He was born in 1907. That means he was too young for WWI and too old for WWII. Prior to that, his family was in Mexico (don't know for how long), but that might account for any other wars. They came back to the U.S. when George was a child.
What explains the lack of any other family members serving I don't know. How many Romney men were there and what were their ages?
broiles
(1,367 posts)George should have too.
Brickbat
(19,339 posts)markpkessinger
(8,401 posts)In WWII, the draft went all the way up to age 45.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,742 posts)and served in World War II.
starroute
(12,977 posts)I can't find anything specific about why George Romney didn't fight in World War II, but Wikipedia says that "in 1939 he moved to Detroit and joined the American Automobile Manufacturers Association, where he served as the chief spokesman for the automobile industry during World War II and headed a cooperative arrangement in which companies could share production improvements."
There were effectively no new cars manufactured in the US from early 1942 through the end of 1944, except for government and military use, and the auto factories were retooled for defense production. So it sounds like Romney was basically coordinating the automotive side of the defense industry. That would have made him eligible for a draft exemption under category II-B, "necessary to national defense."
So no discredit to him -- but it forms part of that bubble within which Mitt was raised.
mountain grammy
(26,623 posts)My dad was born in 1917 and served in WWII and Korea, a career marine! There are few 2nd and 3rd generation Americans who had not a single family member serve. The Rmoneys are some of them.
Javaman
(62,530 posts)My Aunt Dot was an Army nurse in WWII. She was born in 1904
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)My father was too old for Korea but too young for Vietnam. He still served in the Navy.
GentryDixon
(2,953 posts)the LDS Church a higher calling.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)llamos
(2 posts)...they ignored Civil Rights laws for 14 years, barring the few completely confused Black students who wanted to go to BYU...until their prophet had a "revelation" that God had changed his mind about Black people being cursed as descendants of Cain...in 1978.
Utterly repulsive religion.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)I do wonder how many people he converted over there. I have a feeling he was much more interested in just hanging out, having a good time and avoiding any risk to himself.
Little Star
(17,055 posts)I can't imagine that would be the case for many US families.
If true, I'd like to see him try to explain it.
virgogal
(10,178 posts)barbtries
(28,799 posts)back to the civil war that i know of for sure. my son was in the navy, but that was not my decision. i don't want any members of my family going into the military until and unless the US stops throwing unnecessary wars.
Supersedeas
(20,630 posts)Where was Mittens?
Misskittycat
(1,916 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)I had an uncle and a "step-uncle" who served in the Pacific with the Marines in WW 2 and my dad worked as a civilian mechanic on the big arctic construction projects after the Army told him he was more valuable in that capacity than in uniform when he tried to enlist during WW 2.
I suspect many if not most families have far more veterans in the family tree than mine and even I have a few.
Brother Buzz
(36,444 posts)I'm not sure, but I count five generations. The question: He served, but is a deserter a veteran?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miles_Park_Romney
Response to markpkessinger (Original post)
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progressivebydesign
(19,458 posts)Thinking about all the guys my daughters went to school with, people I went to school with, etc. In my own family: Dad was Army, as were my uncles. Grandfathers, etc., were Army. Brother was Navy, son in law, Navy, other SIL, Army Reserve.
I'm not sure if the LDS thinks that "serving" the church, by riding bikes and recruiting people, is more important.. but I can't think of any peer or daughter's peers who were in the military.
Is that a 'thing' with them?
chknltl
(10,558 posts)My roommate back in 1974 as a matter of fact. He was very much a Morman and like most Mormans I have known, one hell of a hard worker! His name is lost to time for me, but I think he may have been a BYU athlete before joining up too.
FreeState
(10,572 posts)I know a lot that survey in the military. The church sees it an honorable thing to do and encourages either a mission or serving in the military.
icarusxat
(403 posts)the local Mormon churches kept a wall with the pictures of the missionaries and those serving in the military. This was during the Vietnam era. There were 20 missionaries for every one military member. I was run out of the military for being from Utah, but not being Mormon enough. They are there in the military, they seem to be their own little clique. Don't cross them or you are gone.
WooWooWoo
(454 posts)he was from Hawaii. Nicest guy you'd ever meet.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Too young for the last war and too old for the next. But several of them were in the military during peacetime. Odd none of the patriotic Rmoneys saw fit to serve at any time.
Ednahilda
(195 posts)I was beginning to think that my family was the only one besides the Romneys that had no one in the military. The last couple of generations in my family have had many more daughters than sons, but the males were born in just the right years to be too old or too young for a war. My husband is the only one who's the right age, but his Vietnam draft number was way too high and then the war ended so he was spared. Not too many of his friends were that lucky.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Welcome to DU
LiberalArkie
(15,719 posts)My brother was in Viet Nam, Dad in WW2, my grand dad was in WW1
I have them in the Spanish American War,
the civil war (both sides), the war of 1812, and the big one in 1776... But again both sides. Sorry about that.
And the Romney tree can't account for any?
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)My maternal grandfather was drafted into the Army in WWII at age 34.
We don't have any WWI or even Civil War vets in my direct line that I have found, though various brothers of my ancestors may have served. I have more ancestors who fought in the Revolution than I can count, though, including one Continental Army officer who died at the Battle of Oriskany.
Mitt's ancestors came to the US very recently and so haven't had much opportunity to serve. They no sooner got to Utah with the Mormons than they ran off to Mexico because Utah was no longer fanatical enough for their militant polygamist branch.
markpkessinger
(8,401 posts)Dad served in WWII in the Navy, and his two brothers in the Army in Europe during the same war. My brother and I were both too young to have served in Vietnam. My grandfather wanted to serve in WWI, but was wheelchair-bound with a severely broken leg at the time. I have several Civil War veterans on my mother's die, and Revolutionary War veterans on both sides.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)So I think there are families out here who can also say that. BTW my mom's family were here in the1600s.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)or against slavery?
eShirl
(18,494 posts)eShirl
(18,494 posts)My Dad (and his brother), in WWII.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)find a veteran and win a prize!
Mittens Tree:
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=dowfam3&id=I327020
Miles Park (Mitt's gr-gr granpa was of age to fight in the Civil War but ran off to Mexico with his 5 wives)
panader0
(25,816 posts)My brother served, I did not.
Courtesy Flush
(4,558 posts)Searching Google, I found this page from DU, but it cited a story that didn't back up the claim. Five sons does not equal five generations.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)Five Generations:
Miles Park Romney
Gaskell Romney
George W. Romney
Mitt Romney
5 sons Biff, Boff, Tagg, Chickenhawk, and Turd
Aviation Pro
(12,172 posts)...not to be confused with,
Slurry, Spliff, Q*bert, the Batman symbol, and Qzpxl.
The Sons of Cowardice.
calimary
(81,315 posts)PCIntern
(25,556 posts)OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)Initech
(100,080 posts)I'm guessing that fulfilling his civic duty isn't one of them.
lame54
(35,293 posts)Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)First off, you can't blame Romney for what other people in his family did. If you want to criticize Romney for not serving in the military, that is fine, but Obama never served in the military either.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)And a little dig at Obama too how cute.
hedgehog
(36,286 posts)but I think Romney would!
mountain grammy
(26,623 posts)The man (Rmoney) talks war.. listen to him. It's astounding the neocons who talk war and start wars who haven't served or had a family member in harm's way. They have no fear of war.. they profit from war!! War is good for business. Their patriotism is greed.
No, Obama didn't serve but he was raised by a grandfather who did and when he graduated from Harvard Law with the world at his feet, he went to work for the people. Both my parents were Marines in WWII, my husband is a Vietnam vet, my son a vet of the first Iraq war. I never served but have a healthy respect for war because members of my family have taught me that.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)heaven05
(18,124 posts)stay there
Blue Idaho
(5,049 posts)Mormon men are called on a church mission about the same time most adult males consider military service. During the draft years, Mormons were exempt from call-up if they chose an LDS mission calling. Mormons have always seen their duty to church has a higher calling than duty to country.
malokvale77
(4,879 posts)Response to markpkessinger (Original post)
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tularetom
(23,664 posts)Yet every one of us served.
The one exception was my dad who volunteered twice. He served in the Navy in the mid 30's and re-enlisted after Pearl Harbor.
sad sally
(2,627 posts)conflict in supporting war, or say starting one, or railing on about needing bigger defense budgets and the most powerful military in the world.
The church is and must be against war, for war is of Satan and this church is the church of Christ... (Messages of the First Presidency of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Vol 6, pg 170.)
God will hold subject to the eternal punishments of His will those who wage [war] unrighteously. (Ibid, pg 481.)
Perhaps the erroneous belief that individuals are not accountable for the murders they commit in battle stems from a misreading of a statement the First Presidency endorsed in 1976:
Wars should be avoided whenever possible; however, men have the right to protect themselves from those who unjustly try to take away their freedom and property. (Principles of the Gospel, 1976.)
Since those who battle for a righteous cause will not be held responsible for bloodshed, the responsibility rests upon those leaders who create contention and cause wars. (Statements of the LDS First Presidency, pg 480.)
greendog
(3,127 posts)...an ancestor with military service.
Siwsan
(26,268 posts)More recent, my great uncle fought in WWI (Army), several uncles in WWII (Army, Army Air Corps, Navy), all in combat. An uncle during Korea and cousin during Viet Nam (Army - neither in combat), my Dad (a Marine who served in President Truman's Honor Guard) Me (Navy) and now my nephew (Air Force).
In fact, I know very few families who don't have at least ONE veteran in their family tree.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)Karl Heinrich Wilcken, born in Germany, emigrated to the US, enlisted in the US Army, and deserted. This is Romney's great-great-grandfather (5 generations counting Romney himself as one and going back).
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)we may have a winner...but is a deserter a veteran? I should have specified Honorably Discharged Veteran.
I don't really have a prize, didn't expect a winner
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)although it may have been the army of the Duchy of Holstein (if it had one) in the First Schleswig War with Denmark and won the Iron Cross. (Which probably counts as "honourable discharge", just not from the US Army.)
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)Honorably Discharged Veteran of any branch of The United States Armed Forces.
markpkessinger
(8,401 posts). . . since all of Mitt's sons are old enough to have served.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)It's not that strange, honestly, for someone of Romney's sons' generation to have not served in the US military. They would have come of age after the end of the draft and in the twilight years of the Cold War if not past its end. Romney on the other hand was old enough to've gone to Vietnam. His father, old enough to've been in WWII. His grandfather, old enough to've served in WWI. And so on.
In my own case, I didn't serve in the military. My father did; he joined the Navy in 1973 (before the end of the draft). Both of my grandfathers were in the US Army, one was stateside and one saw combat in Europe. One of my great-grandfathers was with the AEF in France. I have ancestors who were on both sides in the Civil War. Who fought in the War of 1812. And the Revolution. And the French and Indian War, for that matter. What's highly unusual about Romney's family background is that it's extremely uncommon for someone whose ancestry goes back to the colonial era to have almost no ancestors who were in the US military or colonial militia in any of the various wars and conflicts that the US and its predecessor colonies were in, and especially to have no ancestors who served in either WWII or the Civil War.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)have stayed if the Mexican Revolutionaries had not sent them packing. The Romney family is only American because of Pancho Villa.
Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)How the heck did rMoney's family get out of WWII? Nobody served? That is astounding.
sakabatou
(42,155 posts)He was working at a defense plant. My great and great-great grandparents, I don't know.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Both conditions exclude them from being able to serve....oh and it's a hereditary problem, so that explains the multi generational military exclusions.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)there were many who served -- WWII, Korea, Viet Nam.
TNLib
(1,819 posts)In my family,
Motherside Uncle, Grandfather, and great grandfather served
father side, My dad, grandfather and all of his brothers and all of my male cousins have served.
I can't even not having any male members of the family that have not served.
byeya
(2,842 posts)in WW2; 3 in the Korean conflict.
Oh yeah - at least 2 for the Union in the Civil War
Turbineguy
(37,342 posts)his popularity among conservatives. There's nothing they like more than draft-dodgers. Why get killed and maimed when you can get others to do it in your place?
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)I am however happy to say that I missed the tragedy of Vietnam.
RebelOne
(30,947 posts)He was discharged because of a nervous breakdown. My father was a merchant marine. They are the only ones in my family that I know of that served.
trailmonkee
(2,681 posts)LiberalCatholic
(91 posts)I know my dad did. I thought all men had to serve in the military for a period of time in the 1960s. Am I misunderstanding something?
markpkessinger
(8,401 posts)... A number was assigned to each day of the year. A person's draft number corresponded to their day of birth. whenever more troops were needed, a number was drawn and men holding that number were expected to report to their local draft board and, assuming he wasn't eligible for a deferrment or exemption of some sort, and was found to be physically able, off he went. But no, it was not universal.
riverwalker
(8,694 posts)Because Romney didn't mention veterans or the war in his speech because he only "spoke of important things" such as invading Iran. The military, to Romney are like hired help, like the gardener, the chauffeur, the maid, the cook. To Romney, they are paid to do a job, no need to "honor" them with anything more than a paycheck. He doesn't get it. He has never heard the stories, seen the injuries, or the tears in his family. He has never seen the quivering lips of an elderly veteran relative at the first few bars of the national anthem, and known what it is all about.
The rest of America has family typical of mine, and even if you may think you have only a few veterans in your tree, as a amateur genealogist I can say you would be astonished at what you would find.
My family began to immigrate from Norway in 1850. Many joined the 15th Wisconsin of the Union Army, a year after arriving, it was an all Norwegian Regiment. One died in Andersonville. Many were wounded, many died. My Dad's uncle arrived in the US from Norway right before WW1, he enrolled in college, had big dreams. He went to fight in WW1, and returned horribly wounded, his dreams dashed forever. Purple Heart. My Dad was born to Norwegian immigrants, landed on the beaches of Normandy, was captured a few months later, a P.O.W. for the duration of the war. A cousin served in Vietnam, returned addicted to heroin, and died young with the monkey on his back. A brother served in desert Storm, spent months breathing the burning oilfields of Kuwait, his life is totally destroyed from Gulf War Syndrome. My ex's uncle was a shell shocked tail gunner in WW2, lost his mind and hung himself one night. I've done the family trees of my two daughters-in-law. Their families go back to before the revolution. Full of veterans, revolutionary war, spanish american, Civil War, WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam.
We all have these stories in our families, it is part of who we are and how we form opinions of war and the men who fight them. All except Romney. He has no stories. To him, a soldier is like the guy who cleans his pool. Just not that "important".
LittlestStar
(224 posts)I think every male in my family has served except for my uncle. I am inspired by your post and will research it. I know much of my family (the one's who are not American Indian) has been here since the 1700's. It is frankly creepy that Romney's family has never served, that's just despicable. Perhaps the Romney's have always felt that they were better than everybody else.
riverbendviewgal
(4,253 posts)one was too young but there were the 4 brothers pictures on the wall. I loved to look at them when I was a kid.
One in the Army, one in the Navy, one a Paratrooper and my Dad a B17 tail gunner
My uncle who was the paratrooper parachuted on D Day....He brought back a crystal set of liquor glasses for my mom
On my mom's side they were all over navy, army, air force.
There should be more said of this...Romney is not an American patriot...how could he be? He won' t put his money in America.
My dad and mom's parents came from Poland in the 20s...and I don't know the genealogy of where everyone else is.
markpkessinger
(8,401 posts)"The Romneys: reaping the rewards while others bear the burdens."
SDjack
(1,448 posts)pinboy3niner
(53,339 posts)Besides, he'd like the sound of a "million dollar wound." It's right up his alley.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)Yeah, right.
My father, Navy WWII, older brother Navy, younger brother Army, my ex, Air Force.
cr8tvlde
(1,185 posts)with my mom and my two older sisters and started a Christian Church for the soldiers and the locals in Kyushu, Japan. I think three of my maternal uncles served. I often heard how my grandmother in Omaha had one flag in the window for each of her boys overseas. I came along right after ... a Boomer.
We don't choose when we are born, but we choose who we respect and how we live.
Kablooie
(18,634 posts)I'll bet if you were a member of the Romney family you wouldn't have joined the military either so don't complain.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Mitt took his family to see Saving Private Ryan and bought the disk set of that nice HBO series about WWII.
Each family serves in its own way.
markpkessinger
(8,401 posts)grantcart
(53,061 posts)K8-EEE
(15,667 posts)Yeah they prob "served" in that one...
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Romney's great great whatever was from Arkansas and had taken the wife of a local (alleged wife beater) as one of his multiple wives and the guy tried to kill Romney.
Romney goes to Utah and is in the group that is dressed as Indians but one of the Arkansans recognize Romney from the earlier dustup and their cover is blown.
Waiting for instructions from SLC the group concludes that they cannot let the wagon train go because they recognize Romney and proceed with the massacre.
Don't know its validity but it is one of the long rumored (before the Presidential race) explanations why a bunch of Mormons turned into murderers of women and children.
tavalon
(27,985 posts)As Ann Romney once said " you people".
KurtNYC
(14,549 posts)in his line.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)But not his own sons. His sons are doing important things like keeping small hospices out of their neighborhoods.
a la izquierda
(11,795 posts)in nearly every generation going back to the Revolutionary War.
My family is a bunch of immigrants in the 20th century. The only one who served was my grandpa. Everyone else was either too young, or not here when things got belligerent.
Javaman
(62,530 posts)Many served as Medics and they were volunteers in the Minnesota Starvation Experiment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota_Starvation_Experiment#Participant_volunteers
While they are pacifists, they also understood the importance of helping the nation.
dothemath
(345 posts)Hey, lighten up. Mitt spent several years in Paris baptizing dead Jews. If that is not serving your country, just what ............. oh, wait, I know. It has long been known one has a better chance of getting rich at home (or in the Caymans or Bermuda) while someone else sacrifices their life to preserve our freedom.
Ganja Ninja
(15,953 posts)My Dad and his 4 brothers served in WWII
My brother and I both volunteered and served during the Vietnam era on Submarines.
My 3 other brothers did not serve.
I don't know of any of my nieces or nephews that have served.
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)Amish use the term "non-resistance" when it comes to force - be it in the military, law enforcement and even politics. Those who served in the military were forced to do so. Until Vietnam, Amish in Alternative Service were in a non-Amish environment and this caused issues. Come Vietnam, working on an Amish farm fulfilled that Alternative Service requirement.
bayareaboy
(793 posts)Religious issue. I have had several family members in my life that belonged to LDS. I can only think of one third cousin who a couple of years ago went into the army. It was a finance decision and after he got done with his missionary job he enlisted in the army. Other wise most of my cousins converted to LDS after their military service.
chloes1
(88 posts)I can't hold Mittwitt responsible for what his forefathers did, but there is more than enough to him to answer to just on his own gaffes. It is hard to respect a man who wants to send our youth to war, when he himself did not bother...
However to answer the question; it would be faster and easier to count the family members that did NOT serve. Starting with me, I'm both female and 4-F, my sister (she never tried to enlist), I have an Uncle who is a chickenhawk.
My ex-husband who served in George's (the 41st Prez) war, my brother, my father, both grandfather, all all 4 great grandfathers, 7 ggreatgrandfathers (well 8 if you count military service in the military of home country). They all served.
catbyte
(34,402 posts)I remember seeing a picture of him at Stanford holding a pro-war sign and sporting, if I recall correctly, a smirk uncannily like the one in that infamous tweet. Not only is he a coward, but a coward who supported seeing less entitled yet better men than him march off to fight and die in rice paddies while he bicycled through France and lived in a mansion.
This man isn't just amoral, he sucks the life out of everything he touches. He's a vampire but not a sexy one like Eric. More like Randall. (Apologies to folks who don't watch "True Blood"
Diane
Anishinaabe in MI & mom to Taz, Nigel, and baby brother Sammy, members of Dogs Against Romney, Cat Division
"Dogs Arent Luggage--HISS!
defacto7
(13,485 posts)Mitt is tone deaf?
(hope I don't really need to say sarcasm)
heaven05
(18,124 posts)Last edited Thu Sep 13, 2012, 11:38 AM - Edit history (2)
wouldn't surprise me at all.
Lore in our family has it that a relative was with Crispus Attucks during Boston Massacre. He was there during Revolutionary War. Relative in the 10th Calvary, Buffalo soldier. Relative in Teddy Roosevelt's Rough Riders, Kettle Hill, Spanish-American War. Relative in Rainbow Division, 24th Infantry, France WWI. Relative, Officer WWII, landed on beach, Normandy landings and part of Red Ball Express. Relative at Chosin Reservoir, Korean War, and the last, me, Vietnam 68-69. Mitt_twit is a cowardly piece of sh... I will never respect third base twit
I better specify, they were all immediate family members, one generation following the prior in service to our country and the like. Also my father and I were in Vietnam together.
flyguyjake
(492 posts)GO FIGURE
FlaGranny
(8,361 posts)to not have anyone in a family serve. I have traced ancestors back to the Revolution, 1812, Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korean, and Vietnam.
My dad served in WWII and at the age of 58 had to sign up for the draft for WWII.
George II
(67,782 posts)....were serving America more by working to get him elected? I think that was early in the primaries or maybe even last year. Not sure, will research it.
George II
(67,782 posts)--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
August 8, 2007, 7:56 pm
Questions About Romneys Sons and Military Service
By MICHAEL LUO
CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa It is a question that Mitt Romney has gotten before on the campaign trail. Sometimes it is asked innocently; sometimes with a clear edge.
A woman at an Ask Mitt Anything forum earlier today in Iowa raised the question again, asking whether any of Mr. Romneys five sons are serving in the military, adding pointedly, If none of them are, how do they plan to support this war on terrorism by enlisting in our U.S. military?
Although his campaign said his remarks were taken out of context, Mr. Romneys response is drawing criticism, because he said, in part, one of the ways my sons are showing support for our nation is helping to get me elected.
Mr. Romney expressed appreciation for the countrys volunteer army and said thats the way were going to keep it. He explained his sons had made different career choices in life and had not chosen to serve in the military but he mentioned a niece whose husband he said had just been called up by the National Guard.
He added that he respects and values very highly those who make a decision to serve in the military and referenced the surge of support for members of the Armed Services he recently called for on the campaign trail. As part of that call, he personally donated $25,000 to various organizations that support military personnel. But he wound up his response with this: Its remarkable how we can show our support for our nation, and one of the ways my sons are showing support for our nation is helping to get me elected, because they think Id be a great president. My son, Josh, bought the family Winnebago and has visited 99 counties, most of them with his three kids and his wife. And I respect that and respect all of those in the way they serve this great country.
What freaking useless turds he and his family are!!!
harmonicon
(12,008 posts)If not, I don't understand your gripe.
My father was in the army, but he made sure that I knew early on that he didn't want me to be in the military. If I have kids, I'll do the same. If there was a draft, I'd be a draft dodger.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)When someone who is running for Commander-in-Chief professes himself to be a hawk who will willingly risk the lives of our young men and women in senseless wars because he is tone-deaf to diplomacy or is so convinced of US righteousness and exceptionalism without even learning the facts of a given situation before making an ass of himself, one certainly can wonder why that person - or no one in his immediate family - has never seen firsthand by serving in the military what a destructive force war truly is.
Like so many here, every generation of my family from my grandfather on down (and I'm 68) has served in the military - WWI (my grandfather), WWII (my father) and Vietnam (my brother). My sons, fortunately, had the option not to enlist and chose to exercise it. But they are also good Democrats, i.e., they do not now and never have supported warmongering.
Those who served all firmly abhorred war - not the military per se - but war itself.
I am one who believes that ALL of us SHOULD serve our country. But I do not believe that the military is the only way to serve.
For instance, I am a Returned Peace Corps Volunteer.
markpkessinger
(8,401 posts). . . I have long said I would be in favor of a Constitutional amendment that would forbid the country from going to war without a draft -- a draft with no exemptions or deferrments -- so that the burden would be more fairly borne across society. If such a requirement had been in place prior to Iraq, this country would have had a very different conversation prior to deciding to invade that country.
Kurovski
(34,655 posts)WCGreen
(45,558 posts)I have a cousin who was a jet fighter in Korea and several cousins who fought in Vietnam.