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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWaPo article: forget Bain, it's only "hurting Romney among a significant number of voters"
Bain is no longer Romneys bane
Posted by Aaron Blake
Mitt Romney might have lost a little ground on the campaign trail.
But dont blame Bain Capital.
New Washington Post-ABC News polling shows that, whatever price the Republican presidential nominee might have paid for his work in venture capital, the issue now cuts pretty evenly in swing states.
In July, twice as many voters (32 percent) said Romneys position at Bain was a major reason to oppose him as said it was a major reason to support him (16 percent). Those numbers are now basically a wash, with 28 percent viewing Bain as a major negative and 27 percent viewing it as a major positive.
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Clearly, his past at Bain is still hurting Romney among a significant number of voters.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/09/11/mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-new-poll-shows-the-issue-is-a-wash/
Posted by Aaron Blake
Mitt Romney might have lost a little ground on the campaign trail.
But dont blame Bain Capital.
New Washington Post-ABC News polling shows that, whatever price the Republican presidential nominee might have paid for his work in venture capital, the issue now cuts pretty evenly in swing states.
In July, twice as many voters (32 percent) said Romneys position at Bain was a major reason to oppose him as said it was a major reason to support him (16 percent). Those numbers are now basically a wash, with 28 percent viewing Bain as a major negative and 27 percent viewing it as a major positive.
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Clearly, his past at Bain is still hurting Romney among a significant number of voters.
- more -
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/09/11/mitt-romney-and-bain-capital-new-poll-shows-the-issue-is-a-wash/
Consider what the graph shows: There was a peak in July, but now, in September when most of the focus has been on the conventions, 28 percent still believe that Bain is a "major" negative. It's down slightly, but it appears most of the shift to "major" positive is from "not a major factor." So people have solidified their positions.
Also, consider the last line in the snip in the context of the premise: Bain no longer a "bane," but clearly "still hurting."
Hilarious and pathetic. I mean, this is about a poll, and the results of the poll matter in context. Mitt's Bain experience was used to bolster the claim he'd be good for the economy. That's no longer the case according to the poll, which shows a huge swing in favor of President Obama.
Obama Erased Mitt Romney's Biggest Advantage In This New ABC Poll
Grace Wyler
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But the more interesting numbers can be found deeper in the poll, on the question of which candidate would better handle the economy. For the first time this year, the poll shows voters trust Obama more to handle the economy, wiping out Romney's advantage on the key issue of the 2012 election.
To be sure, Obama's lead on the issue is slim 47% to 45% but that is still up significantly from the ABC/WaPo poll taken immediately before the convention, which had Romney beating Obama 50% to 43%.
Interestingly, the poll also shows that Obama has erased Romney's advantage on the question of which candidate voters trust to handle taxes, basically reversing the pre-convention poll results to lead Romney 50% to 43%. And the President is closing in on the issue of handling the budget deficit, shrinking Romney's 13-point pre-convention lead to just 3 points.
http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-leads-romney-economy-convention-poll-2012-9#ixzz26AaAalgm
Grace Wyler
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But the more interesting numbers can be found deeper in the poll, on the question of which candidate would better handle the economy. For the first time this year, the poll shows voters trust Obama more to handle the economy, wiping out Romney's advantage on the key issue of the 2012 election.
To be sure, Obama's lead on the issue is slim 47% to 45% but that is still up significantly from the ABC/WaPo poll taken immediately before the convention, which had Romney beating Obama 50% to 43%.
Interestingly, the poll also shows that Obama has erased Romney's advantage on the question of which candidate voters trust to handle taxes, basically reversing the pre-convention poll results to lead Romney 50% to 43%. And the President is closing in on the issue of handling the budget deficit, shrinking Romney's 13-point pre-convention lead to just 3 points.
http://www.businessinsider.com/obama-leads-romney-economy-convention-poll-2012-9#ixzz26AaAalgm
That's pretty damn significant. President Obama, aided by a nine-point swing, now leads on the economy by two points. Mitt lost the only selling point the media created for him.
Mitt, who previously led on four of fifteen issues, now leads on only one, handling the deficit, and his 13-point edge on that issue is now just three points.
Also, Romney's less than two-point bounce was hyped, but here a three-point swing in favor of the President is being downplayed.
Barack Obama has emerged from the nominating conventions in his best position against Mitt Romney since spring, a 50-44 percent race among registered voters in the latest ABC News/Washington Post poll. But Romney recovers to a virtual dead heat among those most likely to vote, keeping the contest between them wide open.
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As noted, though, among likely voters people who say theyre both registered and certain to vote the race squeezes shut at 49-48 percent, Obama-Romney, essentially unchanged since before the conventions (+2 Romney then, +1 Obama now, well within sampling error.) That means that Romneys supporters express greater intention to vote a challenge for Obamas ground game, and a suggestion that the race could come down to turnout.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/obama-gains-a-convention-boost-but-not-among-likely-voters/
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As noted, though, among likely voters people who say theyre both registered and certain to vote the race squeezes shut at 49-48 percent, Obama-Romney, essentially unchanged since before the conventions (+2 Romney then, +1 Obama now, well within sampling error.) That means that Romneys supporters express greater intention to vote a challenge for Obamas ground game, and a suggestion that the race could come down to turnout.
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/09/obama-gains-a-convention-boost-but-not-among-likely-voters/
Now, back to Bain and the image above. Note the caption indicating that the results apply to eight states. Why is this important? Well, this:
ABC News poll report buries the lede: Obama crushing Romney in battleground states
by dnta
ABC News has reported on its new poll with the Washington Post, and in a desperate attempt to maintain the narrative that the race between President Obama and Mitt Romney is still a dead heat, has run with the headline:
Obama Gains a Convention Boost - But Not Among Likely Voters
This is based on their poll's finding that Obama now leads Romney nationally by a healthy 50% to 44% among Registered Voters, but the margin shrinks to only 49-48 when they apply their Likely Voter filter. Never mind that even the LV result shows a 3-point bounce for Obama compared with their own previous poll, that's within the margin of error, so the race is still tied. Also never mind that their entire sample of only 826 RVs has an error margin of 4%, and they don't bother to tell us how many of those RVs turned out to be LVs, which probably raises their MOE to 6% or higher for the lesser sample. They want to show a dead-heat, and they do.
HOWEVER, the big headline, which ABC buries deep in the 5th paragraph of the story, so as not to distract from their narrative, is that their own poll shows that Obama is wiping up the floor with Romney in the key Battleground States:
Come on, guys, admit it: that's not a "shift of preferences," that's a 20-point earthquake! And it puts the lie to your spin that the race remains "wide open"... The President is up by 14 points on average across the critical battleground states? That's landslide territory! That's a blowout of historic proportions!
Pretty soon, the Trad Med are going to have to start rethinking their fetish for predicting a tight race, and retool their narratives toward prognosticating about the Second Obama Term. Or they'll just (continue to) look like idiots.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/11/1130289/-ABC-News-poll-report-buries-the-lede-Obama-crushing-Romney-in-battleground-states
by dnta
ABC News has reported on its new poll with the Washington Post, and in a desperate attempt to maintain the narrative that the race between President Obama and Mitt Romney is still a dead heat, has run with the headline:
Obama Gains a Convention Boost - But Not Among Likely Voters
This is based on their poll's finding that Obama now leads Romney nationally by a healthy 50% to 44% among Registered Voters, but the margin shrinks to only 49-48 when they apply their Likely Voter filter. Never mind that even the LV result shows a 3-point bounce for Obama compared with their own previous poll, that's within the margin of error, so the race is still tied. Also never mind that their entire sample of only 826 RVs has an error margin of 4%, and they don't bother to tell us how many of those RVs turned out to be LVs, which probably raises their MOE to 6% or higher for the lesser sample. They want to show a dead-heat, and they do.
HOWEVER, the big headline, which ABC buries deep in the 5th paragraph of the story, so as not to distract from their narrative, is that their own poll shows that Obama is wiping up the floor with Romney in the key Battleground States:
Additionally, there's been a shift in preferences in the eight tossup states identified by the ABC News Political Unit: Registered voters in these states now favor Obama over Romney by 54-40 percent, vs. 42-48 percent in these same states before the party conventions.
Come on, guys, admit it: that's not a "shift of preferences," that's a 20-point earthquake! And it puts the lie to your spin that the race remains "wide open"... The President is up by 14 points on average across the critical battleground states? That's landslide territory! That's a blowout of historic proportions!
Pretty soon, the Trad Med are going to have to start rethinking their fetish for predicting a tight race, and retool their narratives toward prognosticating about the Second Obama Term. Or they'll just (continue to) look like idiots.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/09/11/1130289/-ABC-News-poll-report-buries-the-lede-Obama-crushing-Romney-in-battleground-states
You see, that confirms this: "Clearly, his past at Bain is still hurting Romney among a significant number of voters."
So Bain is still a "bane."
But here's the funniest line from the top article:
"Mitt Romney might have lost a little ground on the campaign trail."
Yeah, if by "a little ground," you mean "a 20-point earthquake."
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WaPo article: forget Bain, it's only "hurting Romney among a significant number of voters" (Original Post)
ProSense
Sep 2012
OP
in my book the numbers show voters becoming more informed, with an increasing proportion
HiPointDem
Sep 2012
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HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)1. in my book the numbers show voters becoming more informed, with an increasing proportion
moving from neutral (I dunno) to one of the two alternatives.
i'd like to see the numbers broken out by party affiliation.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)3. Yes, they've become more informed and solified their position.
People were likely to say "not a major factor" when they thought the issue would go away or they didn't have enough information. Clearly, it's still an issue.
Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)2. Willard where are your tax returns ........ what are you hiding??
Cha
(297,316 posts)4. That's what I'm thinking.
Romney's Tax Returns aren't going away, either. They're too important. Now, that more Americans are seeing how Weasley Romney and Ryan are..the Tax Returns are more Important than EVER.
napkinz
(17,199 posts)5. He can run but he can't hide
Cha
(297,316 posts)7. Perfect for Dr Jekyll Heckle and HIDE!
spanone
(135,844 posts)6. let's poll that one.
ProSense
(116,464 posts)8. Like this:
"Michigan- 52% of voters think Romney should release 12 years of his tax returns"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021263128
Mitt's home state!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021263128
Mitt's home state!
ProSense
(116,464 posts)9. Kick for
exposing Mitt!
Holy shit: Mitt Romney admits using Chinese slave labor @ Bain.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021311291