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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWas in the hospital from Saturday through Tuesday afternoon
Saturday and sunday I was pretty out of it. Acute Pancreatitus and Kidney failure because of the Crohn's
By MOnday and Tuesday early morning, I was feeling better and pretty bored so I started flipping channels on TV.
TV news stations Fox News, CNN and CNN headline news
I watched a lot of Law and Order Criminal Intent and ESPN
3 of my nurses voiced the same opinions that the TV stations leave much to be desired at the hospital. They have don't have cable, but a dish instead. There were only about 35 stations total. Several channels were repeats.
renate
(13,776 posts)Pancreatitis and kidney failure?... that sounds awful.
Hope you can go home soon!
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)the Pancreatitis is better and I don't think it fully got to the kidney failure stage, before they caught it.
Lots of medicine and rest now.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)and not having 3 different IV/Tubes stuck in me. You should see my arms.
emilyg
(22,742 posts)LeftofObama
(4,243 posts)Take it easy and get better soon!
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)course, Saturday and Sunday I was content to just die and be done with it.
redwitch
(14,944 posts)Glad you are outta there! The hospital is no place for sick people!
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Warpy
(111,270 posts)since a lot of people who are sick and scared tune them to bible stations. I found that to be the case in Boston as well as New Mexico.
Fortunately, most hospitals here have decent selections, TCM among them. TCM was what I relied on during my last 24 hours when I was alert enough to follow a plot.
Pancreatitis is bad enough, but kidney failure on top of it? Ow.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)I had my infusion on Friday and was running a fever then, I chalked it up to the flare ups so common in crohns. I didn't have any output from Saturday morning until Monday Morning even with steady running fluids through IV's. I didn't know what was happening, other than I hurt so damn bad that death would have been welcome.
spanone
(135,844 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)whathehell
(29,067 posts)Sorry if I seem selfish, but I got to ask because I have Crohns...Are pancreatitis and kidney failure
typical of Crohns?
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)the kidney failure was something new. Probably because the pancreatitis was so bad. My lipase level was greatly elevated. The nurse said they wanted it under 400 and mine was almost 10,000 before it stopped climbing
whathehell
(29,067 posts)was tested for pancreatitis once because my lipase level was slightly elevated
but the tests came back negative.
Thanks for the information and I do hope you're feeling better.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)and when they flare, they block the "duct" that runs along the pancreas. Not sure I remember the technical term, but I know that that is what happens with me.
The kidney thing is new, probably beause the lipase level was so higly elevated.
Ms. Toad
(34,074 posts)Daughter with UC and PSC. PSC was not caught for a half dozen years because doctor refused to run liver function tests. PSC is more common with UC, but I know a number of people with crohns who have it (and pancreatitis is relatively common with the diagnostic/treatment test for PSC).
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Ms. Toad
(34,074 posts)PSC is a hell no one should face - but better to know than not to know.
PSC carries with very high cancer risks (gall bladder, bile duct, liver, colon, pancreatic). So early diagnosis and regular cancer screening can literally mean the difference between life with PSC and death from a related cancer. I know too many people who were diagnosed with PSC and one of the associated cancers within months of each other, and died because the associated cancer was not caught early enough.
If you don't know you have PSC, you don't know you need to screen - so I play "Dr. Mom" to everyone I encounter with IBD. Just did that with one of my old professors last weekend...
whathehell
(29,067 posts)that I have to have an ultrasound of my liver AND a biopsy of my duct, because I've been having
repeated stomach pains that we thought were a matter of "left over" gall stones, since my gall bladder was taken
out a year ago....So I must ask you: What does PSC stand for?...I really don't know.
Thanks, again, for your help.
Ms. Toad
(34,074 posts)Last edited Thu Sep 13, 2012, 02:04 AM - Edit history (1)
PSC is Primary Sclerosing Cholangitis. It is a rare companion disease to inflammatory bowel disease (crohns and ulcerative colitis) - probably an autoimmune disorder. The bile ducts scar making the walls thicker and destroying the liver in concentric tubes around the ducts. Only about 29,000 cases in the US - but almost all in people with ulcerative colitis or crohns. So - chances are small that you have it - but large enough that I would want to raise the question with the doc so it is actively on his list of possible problems.
AST (sometimes called SGOT) and ALT (sometimes called SGPT) are usually mildly elevated (in the range of 50-200) - but are low enough that most doctors will explain them away as nothing serious. (Illness, recent drinking, and a whole host of things can make these numbers go up this much.) These numbers can run into the thousands for "Normal" serious liver illnesses like hepatitis - so gastro docs with run of the mill practices are used to not being alarmed until the numbers stay up for a long time, or are really high.
I knew my daughter had something serious wrong with her because of the symptoms underlined below - but her doctor was sure it was nothing. I did enough research to have a good clue about what I thought it was and pushed him to run a GGT. It isn't a specific test (and is often misused as a test for alcoholism), but when bile slows (narrowing of the bile ducts causes a slow down) this test goes up & the test was enough to convince her doctor.
Other symptoms are really non-specific and associated with any disease that effects the liver (and they vary a lot from person to person with this disease): right upper quadrant pain (imagine a big plus sign across your torso the top right square is the upper right quadrant), itching (particularly the feet and ankles and hands -my daughter describes it as feeling like she is allergic to her blood - and many people with liver disease do the twist barefoot on carpet to scratch the itch), sleep inversion (sleeping during the day, staying awake at night) or just plain insomnia, fatigue (an exhaustion that you can't get rid of no matter how much you sleep), jaundice (yellow/orange/green skin - later stages), irregular periods, brain "fog" (in the later stages it is a form of dementia, in the earlier stages it may have a different cause - but forgetfulness, decreased ability to reason things out), headaches, gall bladder issues.
If you were my daughter, I would have the ultrasound (my daughter has that every year as a cancer screening tool). An ultrasound is a cheap and a good tool to pick out things it sounds like your doctor is (and should be) looking for. I would be more cautious about biopsies - some cancers spread more easily when punctured. Before I would consent to a biopsy, I would want to discuss what the doc is looking for, and whether the biopsy could make the problem worse. If you haven't had recent liver function tests (or they were elevated even slightly last time) I would ask him to think about running them again, with a GGT - as I said, it isn't a specific test, but it is relatively cheap and can provide some clues about PSC that the normal liver panel (AST, ALT, ALP, and bilirubin) doesn't give. During the diagnostic phase, my daughter had LFTs drawn every other week.
Here's an organization with a lot of information. http://pscpartners.org/ If you are trolling the internet, don't even open anything with a date more than 8 years old. The older stuff is just too scary - they don't really know much more about how to fix it, but the way they talk about prognosis is dramatically different in the more recent articles.
(I'm not a doctor - but I unfortunately have a lot of experience with this disease, and because there are so few patients we (patients and caregivers) tend to be almost as well informed as the doctors...and if you want to ask questions with details you don't necessarily want splashed about here, feel free to DUmail me. I know of a handful of others here with UC/Crohns, so it doesn't hurt to have this general info out there.)
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Thank you for ALL this information. I'm bookmarking it.
Ms. Toad
(34,074 posts)And hope you don't have to join our exclusive little circle of hell...but if you do, I'll see you in Pittsburgh the first weekend in May (where all the cool PSC Princesses - the nickname my daughter's group gave themselves - and their caregivers hang out).
freshwest
(53,661 posts)GreenPartyVoter
(72,377 posts)nanabugg
(2,198 posts)on most of them. And this way they have a captive audience.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)them and eat them...then I have ended up in the hospital. Purely coincidence but he says he isn't fixing me any anymore.
hehe
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)I am sure they gave you a long list of things to stay away from.
demtenjeep
(31,997 posts)somethings easy to do: drink. Don't drink, have only drank on rare ocassions. NYE, anniversary ect.
Some thing are harder : Stop smoking. Not easy
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)so will save the lecture. There are some medicines that have certain side effects that can be nasty (all meds to), that might be a good idea if you are ready. And you need to be ready.
TBF
(32,064 posts)which means me doing some sipping - "glass" would be an exaggeration - but for the most part I've had to cut out alcohol with my arthritis medicines. Also with the fatigue I will just fall asleep anyway!
I never did smoke but my mom is nearly 70 and has probably smoked 50+ years, she tried to quit a few times but unsuccessful. All I can say is I'm glad I didn't start because it seems like a really hard thing to do. Will be thinking of you.
malaise
(269,038 posts)FSogol
(45,488 posts)lonestarnot
(77,097 posts)Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)COLGATE4
(14,732 posts)My wife has severe Chrons, lots of complications in the past. But with Remicade they were finally able to get it into remission. In any event, best wishes to you. Keep fighting and get out of the hospital soon.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)Good luck to you.
TBF
(32,064 posts)I generally only watch sports, but will sometimes see other things when I am at the Vet's office or something like that. I hope you are feeling much better after your hospital stay.