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(6,011 posts)I also believe that the righties will jump first.
cilla4progress
(24,776 posts)After Crozier's firing?
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)becoming scarce. Some righties get paranoid easy.
You know, the gun nuts, and the little militias, and such.
cilla4progress
(24,776 posts)right after it hit.
Progressive Jones
(6,011 posts)NickB79
(19,274 posts)All people that hate Trump. All bought handguns or shotguns in the past month. Two have owned or shot hunting guns before and got home defense shotguns.
The one that worries me the most is my co-worker. She's late 50's, never owned a gun before, and came to me almost crying asking if she needed a gun now. I told her probably not, but she bought a little pocket .380 anyway. I told her to come out to my place after work so I can at least show her how to shoot it in my backyard so she doesn't kill herself
I'm fine with legal gun ownership, but a pandemic is not the time to be learning basic gun safety.
lark
(23,158 posts)There was no one in the parking lot so he was curious. He went in and all the shelves were totally empty. Fucking trumpers gunning up to kill us when we riot because the government is killing us on purpose.
SheltieLover
(57,073 posts)👆
ancianita
(36,137 posts)why will people be violent?
Because I can't see it, and I'm living in Florida where people are nutty gun-humpers.
No signs that I can read yet. Do you see any?
Do you have a possible scenario?
cilla4progress
(24,776 posts)history.
ancianita
(36,137 posts)I just wonder. Maybe crime because of being broke and jobless?
Moostache
(9,897 posts)1 - we are a population in insolvency RIGHT NOW...April 1st rents and mortgages are the first (of many to come) that will be missed by a lack of ability to pay. People are stressed about where the money to buy food is going to come from, utilities are going to be in arrears and within 2-3 months, people are going to be facing shutdowns of water, electric, phones, cell phones, internet access....everything that modern life depends upon to stay 'modern'...
2 - that lack of ability to pay is also the death knell of small restaurants and businesses across the nation. After they fail to pay rent, they fail to pay for deliveries and the snowball is heading down the mountain without a way to stop it. Their credit rating is finished, their ability to get loans and inventory and stock is finished. They are bankrupt and will not return in any recognizable form. Millions of additional jobs are evaporating today.
3 - the failure of small businesses will collapse local government budgets and state budgets - which CANNOT operate in the red the way the Federal Government can. All 50 states, which have been thrown to the wolves to fight and fend by Trump, are going to be bankrupt and in default by July. The loss of local government and state government and total absence of a federal response leaves a massive vacuum that will not stay empty...it WILL BE FILLED.
4 - Once widespread bankruptcies and state failures take hold, there will be riots - for food and water. People with nothing can SPEND nothing...commerce in a capitalist system ceases to exist at all...the rich MUST see this is true, without consumer base they too have no income...ownership of "assets" cease to have value when the 'assets' no longer provide income or appreciate over time.
5 - Without a strong, centralized and CONTROLLED plan (administered via the military and National Guard) for distribution of life sustaining food, water and supplies, complete chaos is only 2 weeks (a regular restocking and shipping schedule)...a similar ban on foreclosures and evictions is MANDATORY...we as a society cannot survive throwing people out of their homes and into the public without food, shelter or hope of changing that situation any time soon.
This situation is dire...but failure to have smart, competent people planning for what's coming is deadly.
ancianita
(36,137 posts)What do you see as the timeline. Fall? Asset stripping might take a while.
I envision people with children at home -- their fearful decisions to get out and fight, or stay home and hope.
Do you have any ideas about who CAN be the smart, competent, non-reactive people in this situation? I'm keeping an eye out.
Will they come from our party? From the military? Some combination of military and "professionals"? Big Corps and banks?
Will we non-poor end up being the "reliable help" for the 40 million poor, dying in sadness, depression?
If this situation is dire, I need to get out to see this.
Because where I am in Florida, people seem to be keeping their dire straits hidden. Maybe I'm living in the wrong area.
Moostache
(9,897 posts)People without money or access to jobs still need to eat...hungry people get desperate fast.
Local officials are going to have to fill the void...my concern is how they get resources...deal with the devil seems only way to pry goods or services from Trump cabal.
I hope I'm wrong, but it is a grim picture right now.
I truly think the 'plan' is to allow a major die off of poor people and minorities...the reaction to this is clearly one Alfred E, Neuman would envy...what Trump worry?
Stay safe, vigilant and watch out for signs of real trouble - robberies for groceries in parking lots, car jackings, killings and eventually riots...if you live in an area with an idiot in charge, start making plans for how you would leave and I hope you never need them.
ancianita
(36,137 posts)You stay safe, as well.
EllieBC
(3,042 posts)of when things will be un-lockeddown and the almost caged in feeling combined with uncertainty about financial futures (in the US and Canada theres a stunning amount of debt and paycheque to paycheque living) with a sprinkling of mistrust for the government (even Health Canada tried for claim the risk was low as late as mid March) and a side dish of exhaustion from having to wait in line after line to go to stores where shelves are still often bare will cause people to behave in ways they would not normally.
I think therell be anger and frustration in urban cores which will result in heavy handed actions by police and/or military. People without yards will be sick of being told they are essentially under house arrest.
In the rural areas itll be the wannabe militia types with their armories.
And in the burbs itll be just people starting to break the rules in the way they do with with wine soaked block parties that will go largely unnoticed because the police will be busy punishing the frustrated people in the cities and tired from trying to keep down the crazies in the sticks.
This is going to be a bad summer.
ancianita
(36,137 posts)EllieBC
(3,042 posts)There is going to be a lot of people who might not have been poor who will be.
Theres no game plan except stay home. Thats not going to work for people by June. Especially if you live in a city. What exactly does anyone expect from people being treated like prisoners with no access to green spaces?
ancianita
(36,137 posts)Blues Heron
(5,944 posts)just wear a mask, wash your hands and be calm.
meadowlander
(4,406 posts)When the CDC recommendation is to wear masks and people realise there is no way to buy masks because the rich already stockpiled all of them people will start attacking each other to get them.
When people start to get really sick and have to stand in line for two days outside a clinic to get in to see a doctor, there will be violence.
We've already seen punch ups in supermarkets over toilet paper. Wait until its been a month and people still can't buy rice or pasta or baking ingredients or bread or feminine hygiene products and someone else beats them to the last one, the only one they've seen in stores in weeks.
People are already stealing masks and hand sanitiser from hospitals. When there are no more easy things to steal, they will start stealing violently. And the fear and paranoia that that violence causes with start a domino effect.
dchill
(38,546 posts)People who don't have guns, but who DO have toilet paper - among other things.
Frasier Balzov
(2,668 posts)And families were outside with their children playing yard games.
I can't know whether any of those parents were thinking desperate thoughts about their safety or the future.
It just seemed that they were enjoying their time at home which the emergency has granted us.
SunSeeker
(51,726 posts)Buckeye_Democrat
(14,858 posts)... to finally part ways with their evangelical fools.
Something like this scene from There Will Be Blood:
cilla4progress
(24,776 posts)I'm wrong.
dchill
(38,546 posts)Under The Radar
(3,404 posts)Trump has not done a damn thing here. He hasnt issued a shutdown of anything, or has forced any corporation to do anything. He has an nightly reality tv show at .5:00 that I do not think anyone feels is authentic
eleny
(46,166 posts)ancianita
(36,137 posts)7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)Maybe in rural areas not so much.....
It is going to happen.
Why else are the store fronts, restaurants ad bars included boarding up windows as though expecting a hurricane in April in Dallas? Hmmm?
OhioChick
(23,218 posts)COVID will peak, many deaths will ensue, people going bankrupt, jobless, hungry and social unrest will follow.
Sad thing is, the public is more armed than the police.
ancianita
(36,137 posts)including the US military.
-- American civilians own nearly 100 times as many firearms as the U.S. military and nearly
-- 400 times as many as law enforcement."[8]
-- Americans bought more than 2 million guns in May 2018, alone.[8] That is more than twice as many guns, as possessed by every law enforcement agency in the United States put together.[8]
-- In April and May 2018, U.S. civilians bought 4.7 million guns, which is more than all the firearms stockpiled by the United States military.[8]
-- In 2017, Americans bought 25.2 million guns, which is 2.5 million more guns than possessed by every law enforcement agency in the world put together.[8]
-- Between 2012 and 2017, U.S. civilians bought 135 million guns, 2 million more guns than the combined stockpile of all the world's armed forces.[8]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_ownership
Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)Unfortunately, there's always been some violence going on.
There is violence going on, as I type this.
Are you speaking about some specific violence?
Dan
(3,580 posts)Mussolini
cilla4progress
(24,776 posts)recently. Had to chuckle wondering how many google searches on his name recently...
NickB79
(19,274 posts)Nothing gets people motivated towards violence more than seeing their family go hungry.
stillcool
(32,626 posts)customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)The gun shops love it when they go to persuade red state governors to list their businesses as essential.
Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)and thats where it will be found. Nobody will care if the security is Left or Right.
ancianita
(36,137 posts)Most people who look to police and military don't know that those two are not bound by law to protect anything but property.
Just sayin'.
Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)The military is holding the country together. Trump hates the military and the military hates him. His actions as CIC is akin to spitting on the fallen.
ancianita
(36,137 posts)not supposed to do law enforcement.
Police do law enforcement, and are not bound (Castle Rock v Gonzales 2005) to provide protections for citizens except for enforcing court orders, and after crimes are committed, at which point they record the complaint and go after alleged perpetrators.
I don't look to either to protect people during public upheaval, only to create order that protects property; not to ensure justice, just patrol and control crowds.
People can look to police and military if they like, but I don't.
panader0
(25,816 posts)There will be no blood from me or because of me.
"I can wait, I can fast and I can think." --Siddhartha
cilla4progress
(24,776 posts)I agree. My OP was a fear / expectation, not a prescription.
I truly believe we are on our way to becoming a "third world", or shithole, dictatorship. Think roving gangs of unemployed youth in Iraq. Compare our trajectory with Germany, Denmark.
And by the way, my Husband and I started intermittent fasting. Amazing health benefits, including mental acuity.
ancianita
(36,137 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Here people are finding a way to get by.
Families are riding their bikes while isolated. Neighbors are talking from a distance. Even barbecues at a distance.
Those of us who still have to work because we are in critical jobs are finding a sense of solidarity that transcends politics. Those working are supporting local take out restaurants.
And there is a shared sense of humor I have never seen. Many Americans are laughing in the face of this.
We will be fine.
Some people are spending too much time on the internet.