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Zorro

(15,740 posts)
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 10:36 AM Apr 2020

All across the United States, the coronavirus is killing more men than women, data show

As New York City erupts in coronavirus infections and deaths, Kaedrea Jackson has noticed something peculiar during her shifts inside the emergency department at Mount Sinai Morningside hospital.

“It seems there are more men coming in with really severe illness,” said Jackson, an emergency physician. “In general, I’ve seen more male patients. And when they do come in, they are at a sicker state.”

She and her colleagues on the front line of the pandemic have had little time to ponder why covid-19 seems deadlier for men than women — a phenomenon she could not recall happening with other diseases, such as the flu. “I don’t think there’s anything that’s very clear that shows me the etiology of why it’s been more males,” she said.

Coronavirus data reported by more than a dozen states and the nation’s largest city support Jackson’s experience. In most states, slightly more women are getting infected than men. But of more than 3,600 deaths in 13 states and New York City that report fatalities by gender, the majority of victims are men.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/04/coronavirus-men/

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All across the United States, the coronavirus is killing more men than women, data show (Original Post) Zorro Apr 2020 OP
So, who's the "weaker" sex, now? lindysalsagal Apr 2020 #1
Wonder what the underlying cause is? Generally poorer health, genetic predispositions, or behaviors? MichMan Apr 2020 #2
There is speculation that the missing part of the "X" chromosome which makes a male "Y" may have Hugin Apr 2020 #6
How About This? ProfessorGAC Apr 2020 #7
I do not know if that is a reason, but true that. As a 60 yr old woman, early on I was washing hands LizBeth Apr 2020 #15
Since women are "designed" to be child carers, SoCalDem Apr 2020 #17
Two decades raising and once got a 24 hour, and still had to get up and help the kids. LizBeth Apr 2020 #18
I might as well say it. It's unfortunate, but we do get the long end of the stick on that one. brewens Apr 2020 #3
Data in Michigan shows that older AA men have the highest death rates. MichMan Apr 2020 #4
Early data is showing black Americans are disproportionately affected by this. cwydro Apr 2020 #12
70% of the fatalities due to CV in Chicago are African American. former9thward Apr 2020 #19
Poor behavior and choices, not going to the doctor, and thinking they're invincible. CaptYossarian Apr 2020 #5
I think that male Covid mortality here is following the Italian pattern Vogon_Glory Apr 2020 #8
In the end, it'll be interesting to see how the lily-white states fared. CaptYossarian Apr 2020 #10
It will be. Vogon_Glory Apr 2020 #11
+1 CaptYossarian Apr 2020 #16
God works in mysterious ways. nt leftyladyfrommo Apr 2020 #9
Someone can check me if I am wrong. But China and Europe saw the same trend. nt Blue_true Apr 2020 #13
It could be lots of things, maybe smoking npk Apr 2020 #14

MichMan

(11,932 posts)
2. Wonder what the underlying cause is? Generally poorer health, genetic predispositions, or behaviors?
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 10:59 AM
Apr 2020

I have seen the same type of data showing a disparity between races as well which leads me to the same questions.

Hugin

(33,162 posts)
6. There is speculation that the missing part of the "X" chromosome which makes a male "Y" may have
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 11:10 AM
Apr 2020

something to do with it.

But, testosterone poisoning has been a problem in Humans for millennia.

ProfessorGAC

(65,069 posts)
7. How About This?
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 11:10 AM
Apr 2020

More men early on, not willing to knock off shaking hands, high giving, and generally thinking they were tough enough to not be concerned.
That seems an element of maleness to account for part of it.
Women in general, took it more seriously, and knocked off silly behaviors that lead to high viral load.
I'm a guy, but I took the gloves & hand washing thing seriously. But, I know guys that went "Pfffftt!".

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
15. I do not know if that is a reason, but true that. As a 60 yr old woman, early on I was washing hands
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 03:22 PM
Apr 2020

with soap and not just sanatizer so often, my hands hurt. By 3/12 and shutting down events, watching our cancellations skyrocket, I was the first to say, take me off the payroll I will stay home.

I had no qualms protecting my health or having others thinking I was ridiculous. I was dealing with lots and lots of people, in close spaces.

SoCalDem

(103,856 posts)
17. Since women are "designed" to be child carers,
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 04:11 PM
Apr 2020

I think there's an innate "mechanism" that protects us.

Moms are ALWAYS washing up.......after kids, pets, men, everything.

We tend to be noticers of first signs of illnesses, and are not as doctor-phobic as men are.

We have more "intimate" contact with medical contact and are not as squeamish as men are. we notice things early.

Sadly, men/boys are often told things like "suck it up..walk it off..be a MAN....don't be a crybaby" and it affects their psyches.

Men also tend to have "hidden illnesses" that are often discovered when they are very advanced, making them more susceptible to things like Covid19

LizBeth

(9,952 posts)
18. Two decades raising and once got a 24 hour, and still had to get up and help the kids.
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 05:00 PM
Apr 2020

Other than a cold, i took care of the kids illnesses and didn't get it. So, may be a point.

brewens

(13,594 posts)
3. I might as well say it. It's unfortunate, but we do get the long end of the stick on that one.
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 11:00 AM
Apr 2020

If it's mostly older people and mostly men, that will mean mostly older white men. Add to that many of the right-wingers willful ignorance makes them even more at risk. If it has to be anyone, I'm not gonna be quite so sorry to see any Trump worshipper I know go.

MichMan

(11,932 posts)
4. Data in Michigan shows that older AA men have the highest death rates.
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 11:05 AM
Apr 2020

AA population in Michigan is 14 % and AA are approx. 40 % of deaths from the virus.

Is it generally poorer health to begin with, genetic predispositions, social distancing behaviors, or proximity of living close to others in urban areas ? Likely a combination of all of these

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
12. Early data is showing black Americans are disproportionately affected by this.
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 12:34 PM
Apr 2020

There’ve been a few threads on it.

So, not so sure about your older white man theory.

Vogon_Glory

(9,118 posts)
8. I think that male Covid mortality here is following the Italian pattern
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 11:42 AM
Apr 2020

For many of the same reasons you cited. Plus the added stresses of racism and lack of healthcare access isn’t helping any, particularly in the South and Appalachia.

Bubba meet Guido. Guido, meet Bubba.

CaptYossarian

(6,448 posts)
10. In the end, it'll be interesting to see how the lily-white states fared.
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 11:58 AM
Apr 2020

Don't forget, they thought it was a hoax for at least 2 months because of their cult leader.

Vogon_Glory

(9,118 posts)
11. It will be.
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 12:24 PM
Apr 2020

Of course, there will be deviations. I fear that Afro-Americans in the Deep South are going to suffer even more than poor whites.

I might be wrong, but I see a lot of Arkansas and Oklahoma as being cultural extensions of Appalachia (Which is why they’ve been voting for Club Pachyferm the last 35 years).

Idaho, now, that’ll be interesting. There are a lot of racists whites, but also a lot of right-wing LDS’ers. I don’t think that the LDS’ers are quite as wedded to Trump’s views on the COVID virus, but fools like that Bundy guy may prove me wrong.

npk

(3,660 posts)
14. It could be lots of things, maybe smoking
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 12:52 PM
Apr 2020

I know studies have for years shown that more men smoke or have smoked than women. Obviously smoking causes lung cancer overtime, but it also destroys the lungs in other ways also. Obviously with the COVID-19 virus being a respiratory virus you need your lungs to be in as good of shape as they can be. Men also tend to drink more alcohol than women, and that could effect the vital organs of the body such as the liver.

Men have always had a shorter life expectancy than women in this country, and I think a lot of that has to do with men taking less care of themselves and exposing themselves to bad habits, such as smoking and excessive drinking at higher rates than women.

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