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eleny

(46,166 posts)
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 12:59 PM Apr 2020

Paper towel mask inserts

I was just watching my recording of Joy Reid's Sunday broadcast. She interviewed Jeremy Howard who wrote an article for The Guardian about wearing masks right now and Dr. Ashish Jha of the Harvard Global Health Institute who appears daily on MSNBC to talk about cv19.

Jeremy Howard pointed out several things. The Chinese have figured out that wearing a two layered cotton mask with a piece of paper towel inserted in between the layers can impede the virus from being transmitted because paper towels are so similar to surgical mask material. Conversation is now recognized as the main way that cv19 is being transmitted. Modelling suggests that if 80% of communities wears masks outdoors, "we can actually kill this virus".

So if no HEPA filters are available, the paper towel rectangle slipped into a mask pocket is efficient because of how similar it is to surgical mask material, Howard advised. I'm encouraged by this because until the HEPA filters I purchased via eBay arrive I feel confident to wear a mask with paper toweling inserted if I make an Rx pickup.

I'm sewing masks with open pockets so filter inserts and nose wires can be refreshed.

We've observed that none of our out & about Lakewood, Colorado neighbors are wearing masks. Not even the kids. When I picked up groceries at a local King Soopers last week I saw only one man wearing a mask as he walked through the busy parking lot.

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Paper towel mask inserts (Original Post) eleny Apr 2020 OP
Did they specific any specific kind of paper towel? I do have a used furnace filter (high grade, .. SWBTATTReg Apr 2020 #1
I've read that those blue shop paper towels work better Flaleftist Apr 2020 #2
Thank you. My SO works at a Home Depot and brings them home all of the time (single sheets), SWBTATTReg Apr 2020 #3
Harbor Freight has the ones tested. cayugafalls Apr 2020 #4
Thanks, I ordered that tub 'o towels eleny Apr 2020 #24
lol... me too. Every morning my wife now ask me what I ordered... cayugafalls Apr 2020 #25
I was wondering if these towels can be washed? Or are they single use? northoftheborder Apr 2020 #30
I would think that washing them would break down the fibers. Not sure. cayugafalls Apr 2020 #31
I saw that too, thanks for mentioning. jeffreyi Apr 2020 #13
I'd be wary of a furnace filter unless you're sure of the materials eleny Apr 2020 #11
Thanks. I've got other unused high grade HEPA furnace filters anyways, I always keep a couple ... SWBTATTReg Apr 2020 #12
I see many places also suggesting coffee filters as an insert n/t rurallib Apr 2020 #5
I made some masks this morning from Sherman A1 Apr 2020 #6
Interesting...I didn't think of this either (coffee filters). I may have some in my kitchen, ... SWBTATTReg Apr 2020 #8
Do you know a reliable place to buy masks like that online? Flaleftist Apr 2020 #7
I'm seeing masks for sale in Etsy shops eleny Apr 2020 #14
Honestly, I know many posters here hate Facebook xmas74 Apr 2020 #17
Some HEPA filters can have fiberglass in them so be careful. cayugafalls Apr 2020 #9
Filtret doesn't have fiberglass in their filters eleny Apr 2020 #16
I doubt the paper towel manufacturers recommend their products be used as masks, either. sl8 Apr 2020 #18
You raise an important issue to seriously consider eleny Apr 2020 #20
Kick dalton99a Apr 2020 #10
Thanks much! K/R appalachiablue Apr 2020 #15
may I ask? IcyPeas Apr 2020 #19
Yes, but I tweaked it so the nose wire can also be removed eleny Apr 2020 #21
thank you sooooo much IcyPeas Apr 2020 #22
I have to absorb pattern instructions before I make anything eleny Apr 2020 #23
This is the one our hospice volunteers are using to make us masks. We have the homemade mucifer Apr 2020 #26
Thank you for letting me know eleny Apr 2020 #27
Hi eleny! Lars39 Apr 2020 #28
Thanks! eleny Apr 2020 #29

SWBTATTReg

(22,133 posts)
1. Did they specific any specific kind of paper towel? I do have a used furnace filter (high grade, ..
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 01:07 PM
Apr 2020

rated at a '10', the highest grade in removing contaminates from the air), I wondered if I cleaned, that this could be used as a means of protection. The paper towel is an interesting angle, I had wondered if some paper goods could be used, but usually paper is not porous enough to breath through.

In STLMO, more and more are wearing masks. A couple of weeks ago, I'd say that the ratio was perhaps 1 in 7 or 8 people were wearing masks, perhaps a little less. My SO said that more people seem to be wearing masks (I haven't been out of the house), a noticeable thing to him, so perhaps a good thing (not perfect), but all it will take to get to the 100% mark I'm sure is, unfortunately, a high illness/death rate from CV.

Take care and be safe!

Flaleftist

(3,473 posts)
2. I've read that those blue shop paper towels work better
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 01:10 PM
Apr 2020

than standard paper towels. Auto parts shops and hardware stores will have them, but a high quality air conditioner/furnace filter should work much better if you can still find any.

SWBTATTReg

(22,133 posts)
3. Thank you. My SO works at a Home Depot and brings them home all of the time (single sheets),
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 01:12 PM
Apr 2020

which I do hang onto, they do seem to be better than a regular paper towel.

Thanks again, be careful and safe!

eleny

(46,166 posts)
24. Thanks, I ordered that tub 'o towels
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 03:52 PM
Apr 2020

And husband needed some tarps. Plus there was a coupon that took a few bucks off.

I swear, I'm doing more shopping now than ever.

cayugafalls

(5,641 posts)
25. lol... me too. Every morning my wife now ask me what I ordered...
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 04:12 PM
Apr 2020

instead of saying good morning!

Stay well

northoftheborder

(7,572 posts)
30. I was wondering if these towels can be washed? Or are they single use?
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 06:24 PM
Apr 2020

I finally located some locally and are being mailed to me. I'm just not experienced with this product. I plan to sew some masks and use these inside. I know they recommend washing the masks often, maybe every day, if worn all day, but wondered about how the insert towels should be treated - either just washed with the mask or replaced.

cayugafalls

(5,641 posts)
31. I would think that washing them would break down the fibers. Not sure.
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 07:05 PM
Apr 2020

I figure I'll get 2 or 3 filters per sheet, so a box of 200 sheet nets me 400-600 filters. Good enough for me.

I'm only going out when needed, so trips are few and far between. Plus I just watched a video on making a whole mask from the shop towels and it looks interesting.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
11. I'd be wary of a furnace filter unless you're sure of the materials
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 01:31 PM
Apr 2020

I'm not a med professional or a scientist. But I would never use a filter that has already been in use anywhere.

And some filters out there contain fiberglass. There may be other contents that are dangerous to be breathing through. Research and erring on the side of caution is key.

I watched the video of the ER doctor whose wife created a mask for him using HEPA vacuum cleaner filters for her mask materials. Those are selling out now online. But I also found instructions for using Filtrete F1 HEPA air filters and am waiting for that order to arrive.

Good luck but be cautious. Howard didn't mention a paper towel brand.

SWBTATTReg

(22,133 posts)
12. Thanks. I've got other unused high grade HEPA furnace filters anyways, I always keep a couple ...
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 01:41 PM
Apr 2020

(one per furnace, I got two of them), and use the highest grade possible (normally is a '10', but last time around, I picked up some graded a '12'!). I always get the highest ranked filters because I do have dogs too, so these help in keeping dust down.

I saw that video too, where the wife of the good doctor shows us how to make the filters, a very good video. You're right, I suspect that the HEPA vacuum cleaner filters are going to be gone before long, if not already.

Perhaps this will give the vacuum cleaner companies a new business line, e.g. pre-cut sized mask inserts, or masks themselves.

Be safe and thanks.

Sherman A1

(38,958 posts)
6. I made some masks this morning from
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 01:20 PM
Apr 2020

Paper towels with a coffee filter insert. They ain’t great but we will be going out very infrequently.

SWBTATTReg

(22,133 posts)
8. Interesting...I didn't think of this either (coffee filters). I may have some in my kitchen, ...
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 01:25 PM
Apr 2020

although my coffee is instant coffee (and my SO doesn't drink coffee).

Take care and be safe!

eleny

(46,166 posts)
14. I'm seeing masks for sale in Etsy shops
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 01:59 PM
Apr 2020

Be sure that they have a filter insert pocket. And if you think you need a nose wire, they can tell you if they can make you one like that. I tweaked an online pattern so that my masks have an open pocket so the nose wire can be removed to swap out for a new one. We're going to use pipe cleaners for wires. Twist ties work, too, if they're long enough.

Shop around for a decent price. Some are way too pricey and some seem spot on to me.

xmas74

(29,674 posts)
17. Honestly, I know many posters here hate Facebook
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 02:13 PM
Apr 2020

But entire groups are making masks free, at cost or with donation. Some groups promise to use the same pattern and often make them in pairs: one to sell and one to donate. I've noticed many of the members are self quarantined and are doing it to keep busy.

cayugafalls

(5,641 posts)
9. Some HEPA filters can have fiberglass in them so be careful.
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 01:25 PM
Apr 2020

Here is a response I got to a post that links a good article on DIY mask materials.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=13228384

Here is a good video on vacuum bags to be used.



Stay well.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
16. Filtret doesn't have fiberglass in their filters
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 02:09 PM
Apr 2020

"Filtrete™ Filters with electrostatic charge have exclusive 3-in-1 technology that acts like a magnet to attract and capture microscopic allergens that can pass through fiberglass or non-electrostatic filters. Your air is cleaned each time it passes through the filter."
https://www.filtrete.com/3M/en_US/filtrete/about-us/the-science/

Filtrete doesn't advise or encourage that their filters be used for masks. So the paper toweling sounds like a cautious choice.

sl8

(13,787 posts)
18. I doubt the paper towel manufacturers recommend their products be used as masks, either.
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 02:22 PM
Apr 2020

At least the HVAC filters were designed to process the air you breathe.

The paper towels might be perfectly safe to breathe through, although I am curious as to how much dust from the manufacturing process remains in/on the towels.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
20. You raise an important issue to seriously consider
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 02:48 PM
Apr 2020

I just found a DU thread from yesterday on this mask insert topic. One poster advised that micro fiber cleaning towels work like the hydro knit towels. I've asked if they could let me know how they became aware of this.

Seems to me that microfibers wouldn't have the added concern of dust. And they're a popular cleaning supply that so many already have on hand. They also hold up in my Extra-hot water Sanitize + Steam washing machine setting that takes over 2 hours to complete. Microfibers are the Timex watch of cleaning towels.

IcyPeas

(21,889 posts)
19. may I ask?
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 02:47 PM
Apr 2020
"I'm sewing masks with open pockets so filter inserts and nose wires can be refreshed."


is there an online youtube video or pattern that you are specifically using? I would like to try my hand at making a mask with a pocket and nose wires but I am only a beginner sewer and the patterns I looked at seemed too complicated.

thanks

eleny

(46,166 posts)
21. Yes, but I tweaked it so the nose wire can also be removed
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 03:06 PM
Apr 2020
&t=132s

I made two small changes
-Where she top stitched along the top of the fold for the filter pocket - I also top stitched right above that along the pocket of the nose wire. In other words, along both edges of the opening for the filter insert.

-She inserted a nose wire and then enclosed it by stitching along the whole pocket to seal it in. I left an opening in the middle of that pocket instead so it can be swapped out. I treated it just like she did for the filter insert pocket.

These two tweaks are easy to understand once you view her video. Btw, I slowed down the video speed in the Settings so I could understand her process. It's nice because there's no talking and everything she does is clearly captured in view. I did have to watch it a few times slowing it down if I got confused.

The top image is the front. The bottom is the back or inside showing the top stitched pockets.


PM me if you have any questions at all. She also has a video for a mask with fabric ties and no cutting the tie pieces on the bias!

IcyPeas

(21,889 posts)
22. thank you sooooo much
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 03:12 PM
Apr 2020

good idea to slow it down and watch bits at a time while you are making it.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
23. I have to absorb pattern instructions before I make anything
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 03:49 PM
Apr 2020

Once I had a loose idea of how she made the mask I could dive in. But I had my phone open to the video, too. After one mask I'm super confident about making these.

I'm going to make the side bias tape tubes slightly wider to make it easier to get the elastic pulled inside. I also hand stitched the elastic with a few quick stitches to make the circle. I've also have eyelet pliers and small eyelets to join the ends of the elastic. If that works it'll speed up the process. But the hand stitching was easier than fiddling at the sewing machine.

One last thing, I didn't think I wanted elastic around the ears. But this mask is surprisingly comfortable with good face coverage. I had already cut out her mask with the fabric ties. But husband asked for this one so I made it first. Now, it's the one I'll always make until I get bored.

..... .....

mucifer

(23,550 posts)
26. This is the one our hospice volunteers are using to make us masks. We have the homemade
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 04:33 PM
Apr 2020

ones that we put over our procedure masks. We are allowed 1 procedure mask a week with one back up if it gets too nasty and one homemade mask we can wash from time to time.

Our homemade masks are only allowed to be the pattern from the video you posted.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
27. Thank you for letting me know
Sun Apr 5, 2020, 04:45 PM
Apr 2020

I'm so glad that it's efficient enough to be used that way.

And I'm thrilled that this version is so easy to complete.

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