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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThis virus is a deadly threat to Republican economic ideology.
If this virus drags on for many months, and parts of our economy shut down for many months, it will change our country permanently. In some ways it already has.
The belief of gutting government, gutting healthcare, deregulation, gutting the safety net, keeping wages low, will no longer be accepted by the American people. We will return back to more of a New Deal type society.
DanieRains
(4,619 posts)Did it Grover?
As long as the 1% gets to keep their $50 Trillion in wealth all is "still" good right?
Even if a few thousand / million Americans have to die to prop them up......
at140
(6,110 posts)More than 647,000 people per year die from heart disease in this country, according to the CDC; and more than 599,000 die from cancer.
I am avoiding heart disease by doing aerobic exercise 4 times every week. No way to avoid cancer, but I am doing what I can by not smoking, and gave up alcohol at age 55. If I do get cancer, hopefully they can prolong life if there is no cure. Still feeling vigorous, and I can fast walk one mile in 22 minutes at 3 degrees up slope on a treadmill, at age 80. I am aiming for how long my mother lived, which was 103 years old.
SWBTATTReg
(22,133 posts)been pushing for, for many years. Perhaps the pendulum has finally swung far too much to the right, and now it'll start swinging back the other way. Especially when people are dying.
They do predict this, based on evaluating prior election cycles, we seem to go in cycles, too far to the right, then too far to the left, back and forth, back and forth.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)be straightened out by a democratic president, with democratic leaders in DC. Then people will forget and elect another dumb as a rock republican who will screw everything up - AGAIN. Jared Kushner, his wife, or Donald Trump Jr. comes to mind. They are all dumb enough to be promoted by the gop.
SWBTATTReg
(22,133 posts)considered for any future nationwide office. The gop or the rump juniors. I hope so.
not fooled
(5,801 posts)but only 8 years after the disastrous chimpy regime ended, the 'Murican people let another puke get within stealing distance of the White House.
chimpy: ignored warnings about Bin Laden, lied nation into war, fiddled while NO drowned, tried to privatize Social Security, exploded the debt and deficit, enacted more stupid tax cuts, crashed the economy...just a disastrous presidency, and yet look what happened a mere 8 years later.
Lock him up.
(6,933 posts)... after their orangevirus is gone (to jail) next year.
Wouldn't surprise me.
pwb
(11,276 posts)Corporations that failed to save anything in retained earnings, sending most of their money to share holder profits and now they have their hand out again from taxpayers. Workers will definitely have more power when this settles down.
LittleGirl
(8,287 posts)what they deserve?
We started losing it in the Reagan years!
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,586 posts)If a man is hungry and you tell him moldy bread is better than no bread, he'll close his eyes and convince himself it's steak. When this is over there will be a lot of hungry people out there, ready to be convinced the morsels they are being handed are a steak dinner.
Two things we can be certain about:
(1) The coronavirus is an enemy that will never be defeated. It's better than even the Soviet Union in that regard. The Cold War was a never-ending bonanza for defense related industries. When it unexpectly ended the Repugs and their corporate masters no longer had an enemy they could use to achieve their goal, which was to transfer as much taxpayer money into their pockets as possible. They floundered around for several years until 9-11 provided them with an enemy they could latch onto to get the money train back on track. By defining the enemy as "the war on terror" (which is a form of warfare, not a human enemy who when defeated can surrender his sword to the victor) they opened up a valve to a plethora of ways to fleece the taxpayers, because who would question anything that could be used against terror? BTW, like Fat Donnie, Dubya announced, "I didn't want to be a wartime president..." He realy did, however, because long before he moved into the WH Dubya wrote (or had ghost-written) that all the great presidents were wartime presidents. The one thing he wanted to do was be a great president, thereby eclipsing his brother Jeb in his father's eyes.
(2) The Republicans/conservatives/corporations/wealthy will use this event as a foundation on which to build an entirely new American society, one that makes fascism look like child's play. No regulations, no environmental considerations, a division of the population into "citizens" and "non-citizens," with even naturalized citizens being uncertain of their status (this is a Stephen Miller wet deam). No corporate taxes. No taxes on the wealthy. A completely business-oriented judiciary (which Trump has made great progress toward achieving, even going so far as appointing a person the ABA considers "unqualified" to the powerful D.C. Court of Appeals in the middle of the pandemic). Elimination of all New Deal, Great Society and civil rights achievements, thereby killing any hope for a better world. A restructuring of the social order of American society, with rich white males at the top, as God intended. Those will be their goals; we must fight with all our being:
"Never let a good crisis go to waste," the saying goes. Trump is the best/worst man to be president at this time of crisis, depending on how you view the function of government and society as a whole.
No matter how it turns out, our country will be changed forever by this event. And you can be sure that Fat Donnie and those whose acceptance he craves will come out on the other side substantially better off than when the pandemic began.
nitpicker
(7,153 posts)And maybe be physically screwed into the bargain "you must give me service three times a day".
pwb
(11,276 posts)Unions and people will be stronger after this. IMO. Too few people and too many jobs is always good for workers.
The Black Death that ravaged Europe then, and repeatedly afterwards, eventually brought down the feudal system. There simply were not enough serfs surviving to support it, and the ones who were left realized that not only did they no longer want to work for nothing, but that they were in a position to do something about it.
Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)gibraltar72
(7,506 posts)People are not going to be OK with rebuilding what was. They are gonna want something different. I see a new true populism growing.
albacore
(2,399 posts)They would see their own children starve rather than take sensible steps to change a system that rewards the few at the expense of the many.
S.E. TN Liberal
(508 posts)...give a damn about working class people, women, immigrants, children, elderly, sick people, poor people, etc.
Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)fumigated. Does STUPID have an odor? If so, the WH must be reeking of that, too.
Baked Potato
(7,733 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,732 posts)There are more bad spirits inhabiting that place now than in the lowest circle of Hell. Representatives of every religion, spiritual belief and philosophy will have to come in and conduct a huge ecumenical ceremony to cast out all those demons, wendigos, golems, nephilim, draugr, and whatever else Trump has invited in.
lastlib
(23,244 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)been a monumental failure. Even worse than their comedic "trickle down" joke, their much ballyhooed effort to deconstruct the administrative state has proven to be even more disastrous for people and businesses alike.
In a sane world, our government should have been building upon the initial foundation established by the New Deal and SS/Medicare/Medicaid. We should have led the way, beyond the roll model for taking care of the people who pay to make this country number one in the world.
That should not stop at the military. Think of all the beneficial social programs European countries provide for their citizens. That should have been us.
ffr
(22,670 posts)Lonestarblue
(10,011 posts)He was missing a word. BAD government is the problem, and that is all we have had from Republicans. We have had five recessionssome short, some longsince Reagan was elected in 1980. All of them were under Republican administrations. Republicans have no economic ideology other than transferring as much wealth as possible to the uber rich as possible. The trickle-down theory is a sham. Just look at Kansas. It took W nearly eight years to create a recession. Trump took only three, and well be lucky if its only a recession and not the second great depression.
sab390
(183 posts)It has always been about money and power. The government is larger now than ever, more inept and more tilted to the rich. It has always been about greed, avarice and evil. The country has been run by horrid people since 1968 with the exception of a few years. Carter certainly, Clinton and Obama somewhat, but down hill since Nixon. Chaney, I won't say Bush, was more evil than Nixon, Bush dumber than Reagan, and now Trump? And the most stupid thing about it is they will go down too when it all comes apart.
NotHardly
(1,062 posts)Response to shockey80 (Original post)
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jayschool2013
(2,312 posts)I'm still waiting for the Invisible Hand to show up and save the day.
Or Jeebus. One of the two.
bucolic_frolic
(43,180 posts)Life is really not all about how much plastic stuff you can get, or how many horsepower under the hood to go 35mph to get coffee.
Mother Nature is telling us to contemplate, alone or in small groups. Sadly, from what I see around here, it's not being heeded by all, and some of those who don't heed will be afflicted.
This is a reset, a time for introspection. I'm trying to make it count.
KY_EnviroGuy
(14,492 posts)KY.............
NotHardly
(1,062 posts)Yeah, good luck with that.
Sherman A1
(38,958 posts)unfortunately the GOP voters will continue to drink the Koolaid.
RedSpartan
(1,693 posts)Elections have consequences, and we are going to be dealing with Trump's judges, on all levels, for at least two generations.
Gore1FL
(21,132 posts)I hope the Democrats drive that narrative. I am not confident that they will, though.
When Republicans keep trotting out people who tell us we should die to keep the economy strong...its over.
DinahMoeHum
(21,794 posts)aka "trickle/down" "Reaganomics"
Methinks Keynesian economics will be back in vogue.
In any event, there will be changes not seen since 1933, when FDR took office.
#newrostrong
BeckyDem
(8,361 posts)K&R
octoberlib
(14,971 posts)kentuck
(111,102 posts)Without that, they have nothing.
Locrian
(4,522 posts)They never cared about anything except taking more money from the rest of us.
And this is the PERFECT crisis to take even more, and double down on authoritarianism.
They JUST GAVE the rich and corporations TRILLIONS of dollars and us... nothing but pocket change.
And FFS everyone - it's NOT just the idiot, mindbogglingly criminal trump. Theres a LOT of businesses and rich who are going to make billions on this and don't give a damn either.
If we do want to change things - it's gong to be a long, tough fight to take it back.
czarjak
(11,278 posts)See October 2008. Calling George Bush a disaster but going back to Bush policies on steroids wasnt going to work either. The virus just hastened the inevitable.