I don't know what to say. I just watched the anti-Islam film trailer on YouTube

[cali]

It's beneath contempt. It's ludicrously terrible. The "actors" are by far the worst I've ever seen. Ever. It's sexualized in the sickest way possible. If English is your native language and you're very familiar with western culture, this dog turd might appear laughable at first glance, but it's so insulting, so deeply vile and hateful, I can actually understand the outrage it's provoking. THAT DOES NOT MEAN I'M CONDONING THE VIOLENT RESPONSE.

I'm not going to link. I don't advise even watching the disgusting trailer, though I'm not sorry I did. It's valuable to know what assholes are doing. It's designed to provoke violence.

I'm not a free speech absolutist- though I'm pretty hardline, and I guess I don't see any legal avenues to block this particular piece of hate speech, but man, if anything happens to the producer, who's now in hiding, my only regret will be the escalation of this whole sorry, sordid affair, and not for the piece of dog shit man who produced it.

Oh, and more thing: Reportedly this trash cost 5 million bucks. It looks like it cost 50.

[hlthe2b]

1. What is 'Pastor' Terry Jone's role in this?

[cali]

4. I'm not sure, but from what I've gathered he wasn't involved in

the production of it, but is involved in the promotion of it.

[imanamerican63]

11. Yes!

It was his twisted idead and mind that was behind this trash. I am wondering who fronted the money to make it. Hum?????? Maybe, the super packs from the right nuts????? Just say'n!!!!!

[pinboy3niner]

16. It reportedly got attention in the ME because of others

Check out this WaPo report (excerpt is from 2nd page of story):

Protesters condemned a video clip that depicted the Prophet Muhammad in a series of humiliating scenes. A controversial Cairo television host, Sheikh Khaled Abdallah, aired clips from the video on an Islamic-focused television station on Saturday, and the same video clips were posted to YouTube on Monday.


Organizers at the embassy protest told the Associated Press that they’d begun planning the protest last week when a controversial Egyptian Christian activist who lives in the United States, Morris Sadek, started promoting Bacile’s film. ....

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/egyptian-protesters-scale-wall-of-us-embassy-in-cairo-pull-down-american-flag/2012/09/11/59312502-fc41-11e1-b153-218509a954e1_story.html

[JDPriestly]

33. Why didn't they check with some American friends for an American opinion about the film

before getting violent? This is the day and age of Skype and Facebook. There is no excuse for people in Libya or Egypt not finding out whether this film was OK with ordinary Americans before reacting to it. Sounds like a film that would offend anyone, not just Muslims.

[magical thyme]

44. it is extremists doing the violence, just as it is extremists here who bomb women's health clinics

They already hate Americans. This is just a match on their hatred.

[PearliePoo2]

2. Once something is on YouTube is it possible to remove it?

Or is that like trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube?

[cali]

6. I think that's a good idea and I'm off to

complain to YouTube. It's already the cause of the death of an Ambassador and three others.

[JDPriestly]

34. Things get blocked from YouTube all the time. If a video

violates certain copyrights, the video cannot be accessed. The link won't work.

[malaise]

3. So who gave Jones that kind of money

Anyone who thinks this is some accident is delusional

[cali]

5. Jones didn't produce it.

He's promoting it.

[HiPointDem]

20. he's the front man

[magical thyme]

45. and Israeli-American Real Estate Developer in California produced it. 100 unnamed Jewish donors

funded it.

I smell Adelson.

[malaise]

46. I hope the FBI and CIA are digging real deep

This smells real bad

[imanamerican63]

7. Freedom of speech?

I just woke and heard the news about the violence overseas and the death of the US ambassador. I wish that the people that made this despicable film could be held responsible for this horrific act of violence. But the right wing pastor will use freedom of speech and get away with. I heard that this pastor is in hiding. Go figure, a hypocrite would hide and not face it up front. Now Romney and his right wing cronies are attacking the President for something that was done on the computer. I won't give those who put this movie together and say a prayer for the safety of all who are not directly involved.

[cali]

9. Me too.

and btw, welcome to DU.

[imanamerican63]

13. Thanks!

Back at you!!!

[hauweg]

8. Not a trailer

they were just discussing this on Morning Joe. I understood that the youtube "trailer" is the whole thing. There is no movie...

[cali]

10. no, it was a trailer. It's under 2 minutes.

there may well be the whole piece of crap on YouTube, but this is a trailer.

[Biafran]

12. BULLSHIT

Obama should strike back and strike back hard. Being offended in no excuse to kill ambassadors. Period. There is no justification.

[CJCRANE]

15. I'm sure the administration wll do everything it can to get the culprits

and bring them to justice. They always do.

[HiPointDem]

18. psyops

[Pholus]

19. Sure, strike hard! What law justifies moving Jones to Cairo and shoving him out the embassy gates?

Easy to make crap like that video but its a bit harder for the grownups to actually deal with the consequences. My best wishes are with the State Department as they clean up yet another mess on the carpet of the world created by our local idiots.

Continuing, that's why Republicans DO NOT DESERVE to hold high office in this country. They are really good at creating rhetorical shitstorms and pissing off people they disagree with, and incredibly inept at the actual work of governing and diplomacy.

[Warren Stupidity]

22. Well biafran who would you suggest we kill in response. Be specific.

[WilliamPitt]

24. I agree!!1!1

When are you going?

[6000eliot]

27. 24 posts. Here to stir shit up.

[pinboy3niner]

29. +2!

We're definitely gonna need a point man!1!!

[gollygee]

35. Stike against whom?

The rioters? Or do you think this is a good idea to attack the country of Lybia, when the Lybian government and most Lybian people weren't involved? I hope I'm misunderstanding you.

[JDPriestly]

36. The problem is against whom should he strick back?

The governments of Libya and Egypt have been placed in a predicament. They can't defend the film any more than Obama can. They can't defend the attackers because it is a terrible crime. This will have to be worked out with very carefully worded apologies from the Libyan and Egyptian governments, apologies that don't end in the toppling of any government including our own.

The film-makers are either irresponsible or politically motivated -- maybe a combination of both. Still they have a First Amendment right to film what they want. YouTube does not have to allow access to it.

[SaveAmerica]

37. Did you hear Hillary Clinton's statement? They have their finger on the pulse

of this country. This is why I'm proud that they are in office, knee jerk reactions have no place in this volatile part of the world.

[seabeyond]

38. strike back? bomb? kill innocent people because a mob killed innocent people?

really?

in all your intellectual ability, explain to me the reasoning killing innocents, because a mob killed 4 innocent people.

[HiPointDem]

17. There's something really fishy about Terry Jones. I don't believe he's just some pastor acting

from his personal beliefs. He & his crap seem to pop up at all sorts of opportune moments & his 'church' doesn't seem to have real members, not enough in the church plate to keep a church going, let alone his various extra-curricular activities.

[mfcorey1]

21. The blood of the ambassador is on the hands of the damn idiot who made the film. He must

have had some heavy backing to spend five million dollars. I wonder who.

[CBGLuthier]

23. Gee, I thought maybe the blood was upon the hands of the SAVAGES who killed him

Fucking babies who cry because their long dead prophet was insulted and kill people who have nothing to do with it.

[mfcorey1]

25. More than one culpable.

[Scootaloo]

26. Sounds like the US military, doesn't it?

Except these jackasses got one Ambassador. We can take out entire wedding parties.

There's plenty of blame to go around. The film was created with the clear hopes that it would get, if not this exact result, something close enough to it. it's five million dollars spent in the hopes of getting some "MUSLIMS ARE SAVAGES!!!!!!" video for you to sit back and wank off to when you turn on Fox and Friends this morning.

[6000eliot]

28. So why would you deliberately stir people like that up?

If you do and you know what will happen, WHICH THEY DID, then YOU bear responsibility for what does happen.

[Odin2005]

31. + Infinity!

[4th law of robotics]

41. The important thing is to not blame the people who did it

everyone else is culpable except those who pulled the trigger.

/why do we treat these people as idiot-children who can't be held accountable for their actions? They're human beings. They have the ability to choose how to respond to these sorts of things. These humans chose poorly and I hope they die because of it.

[left on green only]

30. What is the matter with me?

I was half way through watching it before I realized that is was even produced using the English language. The diction of the "actors" was so poor that it made me think that they were all trying to speak with large quantities of food in their mouths so as to make it impossible for me to tell what language they were speaking in (kind of like listening to Arnie Swartz on ludes).

Then, as far as the action was concerned, it was not possible for me to tell what was going on, due to the scenes being so short, as well as having been cut away before they were completed.

I don't understand what there was in the trailer for anyone to be so offended by. But then, perhaps my being agnostic (or just non Islamic) might have something to do with it. But then I would say that they have awfully thin skins.

[FedUpWithIt All]

32. There is a 13.51 minute version.

Unbelievably offensive.

[slackmaster]

40. I just watched it and thought it was hilariously bad. I can't wait to see how Hitler reacts to it.

[Hutzpa]

48. I just watched it too and it is insulting

you can tell there is an intent there from their acting, which is they know exactly the kind of message they
want to send.

[4th law of robotics]

39. Outrage is fine

people can be as outraged as they wish.

I would just prefer they limit their response to emotions or talk and keep actions out of it.

/excepting perhaps a vigorous letter writing campaign.

[snooper2]

42. Oh my god that is bad, at the start it seemed like a parody movie,

but then it got worse..and you can tell they were trying to be serious..

It may be able to be used in schools as to everything NOT to do when producing a movie LOL

[jsr]

43. It's a piece of trash

utterly devoid of any redeeming value.

[Hutzpa]

47. Well said Cali

what I find striking is that how quickly this has video spread, generally when you post a youtube video, it does not spread
around the world until it reaches 100,000 plus views, the video was posted on July 2 by the perpetrator himself, looking
at the statistics of the video and where it has been viewed, I find it very suspect in that it has created this much outrage
in such a short time.

My point is this is an orchestrated event put up by perpetrators of this administration and those that wants a puppet in the
White House.