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kpete

(72,013 posts)
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 10:03 AM Apr 2020

Epidemics are dangerous to rulers

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The story of how hydroxychloroquine was anointed the Trump administration’s miracle drug for the coronavirus pandemic is a distinctly modern tale of misinformation within a global information ecosystem beset by widespread uncertainty, fear, media fragmentation and hyper-partisanship. Belief in the drug’s potential to cure patients infected with the virus followed an extraordinary trajectory from a small study conducted in France (Trump’s “very good test”) to Silicon Valley social media influencers, Fox News, and the largest bully pulpit: the White House.

But it’s also a story as old as medicine itself. When an epidemic killed thousands in ancient Rome, said Aaron Shakow, a research associate at Harvard Medical School and historian of medicine, the chief physician of the emperor Nero circulated a recipe for an old miracle cure.

“It was an attempt by Nero to sustain his legitimacy in the midst of this catastrophic event,” Shakow said. “Epidemics are dangerous to rulers.”


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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/06/hydroxychloroquine-trump-coronavirus-drug

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OnDoutside

(19,969 posts)
1. There was an article posted here not so long ago that President Xi was building himself up to be
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 10:06 AM
Apr 2020

seen as almost like an Emperor in China, with the whole mythology bullshit, but part of that is where Emperor's reign was usually ended by some disaster ! So he might be going easy on that now

dalton99a

(81,569 posts)
2. 15% of the treatment group and 0% of the control had poor clinical outcomes
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 10:10 AM
Apr 2020
The gold standard for a clinical trial is a double-blinded, randomized controlled trial (RCT). What this means in plain English is that the study has been designed to reduce biases that would render its results meaningless. Neither the physician nor the patients knows whether they received the drug (“double-blinded”), a safeguard that reduces the possibility that the doctor will treat the two groups differently. The researchers also do not get to choose which patients go into which group (“randomized”) and the makeup of the two groups is roughly equivalent (“controlled”).

The French hydroxychloroquine study did not follow any of these rules.

The treatment group and the control group were drawn from separate populations: the treatment group were all patients at the institution where the researchers worked, the Méditerranée Infection University Hospital Institute in Marseille, while the control patients came from other hospitals in the south of France. The treatment group (mean age 51.2) was significantly older than the control group (mean age 37.3), introducing another variable that could undermine the meaning of the results. The study was “open label”, meaning the physicians and patients knew which treatment they were receiving. The French researchers also treated some but not all of the treatment group patients with azithromycin, a common antibiotic, another complicating factor that was not randomized.

But even more important than these shortcomings in the design of the study is how the researchers chose to measure and report their results. Forty-two patients were initially included in the study. Three were transferred to the intensive care unit; one died, one left the hospital, and one stopped taking the treatment due to nausea. The other 36 eventually recovered, and those who received the drug cleared the virus from the system faster than those who did not.

If you had only heard about this study from the Fox News assertion of a “100% cure rate”, you might assume that the four patients with poor clinical outcomes (the three ICU visits and one death) had been unlucky enough to be in the group that did not receive the “cure”.

And yet, those four patients, as well as the patient with nausea and the one who left the hospital early, were all part of the treatment group. They were excluded from the topline results of the study because of the way that the researchers chose to measure and report the results: strictly based on the measurable presence of viruses in nasal swabs taken each day of the study. Since the patients were in the ICU or dead, their samples could not be taken and they were left out of the final analysis. Based on the nasal swabs of just the 36 patients who completed the study, those who received the drug cleared the virus from their systems faster than those who did not.

This is how an experiment in which 15% of the treatment group and 0% of the control had poor clinical outcomes could end up being reported as showing a “100% cure rate”.

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uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
4. Been watching FAUX News all morning, Dr Oz has been pimping HCQ where Chinese show no improvement
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 10:18 AM
Apr 2020

... with large viral loads.

There's no proof HCQ keeps viral loads from getting bigger either I've not read any studies though saying it doesn't but there is one saying it doesn't help with large loads or people who are severe.

We put a man on the moon but can't do a study of those in ICU or hospitalized with CV19 ?!

soryang

(3,299 posts)
5. An epidemic breaking out was seen as a terminal threat to political legitimacy
Tue Apr 7, 2020, 10:28 AM
Apr 2020

The only means to stop that threat was to contain the spread of the disease. Throwing dead animals in the wells of communities around the country to spread disease was sometimes used as part of a scheme to overthrow the current ruler.

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