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empedocles

(15,751 posts)
5. The 'robber baron ethos' was around before the author's life - and is still around . . .
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 08:21 AM
Apr 2020

. . . in ayn rand, economics, sociopathy, etc.

Wounded Bear

(58,662 posts)
8. Yes, in so many ways Repubs are harking back to the "Golden Age" of the 1890's...
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 10:22 AM
Apr 2020

That's what they want, unfettered capitalism.

Aristus

(66,380 posts)
12. He'd probably be a Republican today, I'm sorry to say.
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 10:49 AM
Apr 2020

He was as poor as a church mouse, but he was also racist as hell.

Poor and racist is the GOP's voting block.

Sloumeau

(2,657 posts)
13. Lovecraft was allegedly a Conservative first...
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 10:50 AM
Apr 2020

However, when the Great Depression hit, and FDR implemented the New Deal, Lovecraft was rumored to become a Socialist. Yet, before he made his conversion, he allegedly said the following, when he was not enamored with Democrats:

"Democrats... make conspicuous clowns of themselves... urging their beloved masses to work up toward them. As long as they persist in this position, they will win nothing but the distrust and hostility of men well-disposed toward civilisation and the fullest realisation of the human personality."
—HPL in a letter to Woodburn Harris, 9 November 1929

[link:https://imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/41083/hp-lovecraft-on-democrats|]

intheflow

(28,476 posts)
14. I think Lovecraft was talking about liberals.
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 10:57 AM
Apr 2020

He lived from 1890 to 1937, before the Republicans and Democrats traded ideologies (which started in the 1930s but didn't really switch over until the 1960s). Moreover, Lovecraft spoke in favor of fascism. This fits with our ideas of Republicans today, but Lovecraft himself likely meant something very, very different.

Sources:

Twentieth Century Reversal: How did the Republican States switch to the Democrats and vice versa?
http://www.stat.columbia.edu/~gelman/research/published/reversal2.pdf

Lovecraft's Politics
https://bit.ly/2ydka4w (Counter-Currents Publishing, link shortened)

RVN VET71

(2,691 posts)
17. Thanks for the ref to counter-currents.
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 11:11 AM
Apr 2020

I've book marked to read later. A quick skim was enough to show me that Lovecraft was a very complex person and not at all the radical liberal that this out of context quotation would seem to make him.

The quote, even if not so intended by Lovecraft, is nevertheless an excellent statement for a reasonable 21st century American to make about the raping and pillaging of the GOP on the American dream and ideals.

Dem2

(8,168 posts)
15. I'd post this for the opponents to see
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 10:58 AM
Apr 2020

...although cleverly done, it's unfortunate that it's written using high-level words they'd never comprehend.

relayerbob

(6,544 posts)
16. WAY too many syllables and big words
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 11:01 AM
Apr 2020

GOPpers aren't going to have a clue as to what he is talking about

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