What is the plan if Agolf Twitler loses in November and says he won't leave?

[SoonerPride]

What if he says the election is invalid?
What if he says millions voted illegally by mail or by voter fraud?
What if he declares martial law?

What is our plan?
What will you do?

Don't just blithely think the Electoral College will save us. (it won't)
A new president will be sworn in and that will save us. (Roberts might not do that)

Relying on old systems and Constitutional niceties is out the fucking window.

We have to be ready for anything.
He is clearly insane and will stop at nothing. His supporters will stop at nothing as well.

Which means you, yes YOU, have to be prepared to act.
What will you do?

[Siwsan]

1. Keep in mind that our military takes an oath to protect and defend the Constitution, not the POTUS

I took that oath where I vowed to protect and defend the Constitution from all enemies, both foreign and DOMESTIC.

[SoonerPride]

7. I would hope it doesn't require that. But indeed someone may need to escort him out.

But would they?

I don't trust any institution any more.

All the ones loyal to the US have been purged and all sore loyalty to Agolf Twitler.

[redstatebluegirl]

12. The big question is who will fumigate the White House when they leave.

[EndlessWire]

76. LOL! n/t

[Siwsan]

18. I guess it all depends on whether or not the majority will hold true to their oath.

I still remember the overwhelming gravity of emotions I felt when I took that oath.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

36. The oath depends on whether you are an officer or enlisted.

https://www.army.mil/values/oath.html

I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).

[Siwsan]

44. No man is above the law. When that POTUS is the domestic enemy, all bets are off.

IMHO, of course. And it's weird because, in the back of my mind, I remember the word 'lawful' being before the word 'orders'.

[mitch96]

54. DOMESTIC +1

What comes first in the oath.. Constitution or president.........
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[cayugafalls]

2. Make him walk the plank...

a reference to his mutineer tweet..

[malaise]

3. The same Secret Service who defend him will drag him out

Take that to the bank.
When he loses I expect him to leave the WH in November and not January

[SoonerPride]

10. I would love to see that

Of course I would love for the virus to take him out even sooner.

We missed our chance with those close calls at his golf club and the Brazilian delegation.

[dware]

11. I think it would be a combination of the Secret Service and the US Marshal's Service,

but, yes, he will be leaving, either on his own, or in cuffs.

[malaise]

19. You can take him out in that old truck

[dware]

20. Love it.

[LiberalFighter]

62. There should be warrants for his arrest waiting for him.

[FM123]

31. The same Secret Service

who trumpy forced to spend $7,100 on portable toilets ....

[malaise]

34. They might dump him in one and flush it 14 times

Now that would be an 'oh shit' moment

[FM123]

40. Oh shit is right!

While it might be redundant - I think they should flush 45 times!

[malaise]

45. ROFL

That would be thoroughly appropriate

[leftieNanner]

33. With a pardon from Pence in his pocket

Won't protect him from New York state, though!

[malaise]

35. They're lucky I'm not the AG

Mother's Boy would already have been arrested

[leftieNanner]

38. I would rather you be AG than Barr

[malaise]

39. At least I know I'm not qualified

[brush]

43. Yep, the Secret Service is loyal to current the president, and on Jan. 20...

the ex-president will be escorted out by the biggest, effin agents they have.

Reminds me of when a co-worker was fired. The hatchet man sent in two 6' 6" guards and they literal lifted the guy to his tippy toes and took him out by the elbows. We all wondered where the hell they watered and fed those big mfers.

It was sorta funny but frightening at the same time.

[onenote]

68. Why would he leave in november

He will cause all kinds of mischief, supported by a lame duck Republican senate and agencies staffed with his fawning supporters, between election day and inauguration day.

[stopbush]

4. The SS would physically remove him.

[LonePirate]

5. He loses power at 12:00 on January 20. If Biden is not sworn in, Speaker of the House becomes Pres.

[SoonerPride]

13. Yeah that's how it is "supposed to work"

But all the Constitution is is a piece of paper that the right wing constantly flaunts.

Subpoenas used to mean something too.

[exboyfil]

48. Can't any Federal judge swear him in

Johnson was sworn in by federal Judge Sarah T. Hughes. One of the four liberal Supreme Court justices will do it if Roberts refuses (which he won't).

[Polybius]

59. That was an extraordinary case

She swore him in on Air Force One. Has there ever been another case where a President was sworn in by someone who's not a SC Justice?

[onenote]

69. It's happened several times when VP is sworn in to fill the office.

Calvin Coolidge was sworn in by his father who was a justice of the peace.

[zackymilly]

6. LOL 'Agolf'. n/t

[Laura PourMeADrink]

14. Love it too!!!!

[dware]

8. Ah geez, not this shit again.

This is like the 100th thread on this nonsense.

Look, on Jan. 20, 2021, his term ends, period, he loses any control over any executive powers he had, he will be removed from the WH, willingly or unwillingly, but removed he will be.

This has been gone over again and again here.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

23. Ya well none of us can control subject matter

But I agree. All you have to do is wait like 48 hrs and he won't be able to stand not going to Mara Lago to schmooze and golf. That's when you swoop in and change the locks!

Besides, new prez will need a good week to fumigate.

[dware]

27. Besides, new prez will need a good week to fumigate.

Truer words were never spoken, but I don't think they'll ever get rid of the stench in the WH, the only thing that will truly get rid of it is to burn it down and start over with a new and improved WH.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

46. It's funny, but not really. Like the room he self tans

In? And the greasy walls from the McDonald's every night. He spends so many hours there bet it stinks just like he probably does. Would totally creep anyone out unless completely remodeled down to studs. Sad, the history that will be lost too.

[dware]

52. IKR?

So much history, so many great Presidents and the Mango Menace had to fuck it up by his presence in that historical building.

[brush]

47. It'll be great when he's gone. I thing he'll quickly find out that Mar-a-logo...

and his other properties will have lost their appeal and he will soon have to explore a seventh bankruptcy.

Woohoo!

[LakeArenal]

49. All I know is I'll have to cleanup my thought processes.

The Presidency will be a positive thing again. Hard to imagine.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

42. Yeah, I know. NT

[USALiberal]

9. Read more! nt

[captain queeg]

15. It's not impossible, certainly he'll claim the election was fake

But I predict he’s going to lose in a landslide and even his koolade drinking followers won’t take up arms like they are always threatening. And I’ll bet the military is not so fond of him nowadays, though I don’t really have anything to prove that.

They’ve asked Joe about it and he just matter of factly said he’ll be escorted out. Didn’t seem too worry about it.

[jberryhill]

16. What does Roberts have to do with anything?

[euphorb]

17. Response to "Roberts might not do that."

Any judge can administer the oath to a new president. Roberts declining to do so will have no effect. Lyndon Johnson was sworn in by a local federal judge in Dallas after Kennedy was assassinated. After Harding's death, Calvin Coolidge was in Vermont and was sworn in by his father, a local justice of the peace. This is not a response to your entire post, which is indeed concerning, just to that one point about what Roberts might or might not do.

[SoonerPride]

22. I had not thought about that. you are entirely right. Any justice can administer the oath.

Excellent point.

[jberryhill]

24. There are quite a few things you have not thought about

[Polybius]

60. You hate conspiracies and wild speculation, I've noticed

I completely disagree with nearly all of them myself.

[jberryhill]

66. Well, I'm actually in on several of them

I'm also part owner of one of those enormous earthworm farms that manages to raise tons of earthworms at a lower cost than beef using our top secret method, in order to sell them to fast food chains for their burgers.

[onenote]

70. Can I get a piece of that action?

I can pay you with covid miracle cure tablets.

[GulfCoast66]

75. I've actually eaten earthworms. As a high school kid.

Let them crawl around in wet cornmeal and flour for a day or two till all the dirt is out of them and fried up. Not gluten free but in 1982 no one cared about that shit!

I’ve eaten worse. It was a nature camp I was a worker at.

Things we do as kids!

[hurple]

21. If he loses

And refuses to leave the WH, the point is moot.

On January 2021 the person who won will be president, regardless. He will be commander in chief. Full. Stop.

I'm sure they will try to talk him into walking away, and probably attempt to negotiate.

If those fail he WILL be taken by the armed forces.

Period.

[dware]

25. If you mean the Military, that's not true,

If you mean by the armed police forces, IE: Secret Service, US Marshal's Service, then that is true.

[jberryhill]

30. See, e.g. "Bonus Army"

[dware]

37. As an old Marine,

I would be part of that Army.

[sarisataka]

26. Since you seem to have put thought into this

What are YOU prepared to do?

[Hoyt]

28. He'll leave. Just get out the vote, or he'll be there for another term.

[Under The Radar]

29. I have a fantasy image of him being drug out in hand cuffs

Please don’t spoil that for me.

[PoliticAverse]

32. "What if he says the election is invalid?" - You really have to stop letting Trump troll you, it's..

bad for your mental health.

[Norbert]

41. Let the Secret Service take out the trash in January 21, 2021

[roamer65]

50. ...or Agolf Tweetler.

[Hortensis]

51. "I have no worry about him being escorted out of the White House," Biden said

on a CNN town hall Wednesday in Charleston.

The former vice president smiled a bit at the voter’s question about Trump but also lamented that such a thought “could be taken seriously” in the United States.

Biden didn't actually say he couldn't refuse to leave, and refuse to allow the WH staff to empty the place of his belongings as usual, so fantasies about Trump being removed kicking and screaming by U.S. Marshalls can continue.

But as we all know, Trump and Pence's terms end at the stroke of noon, January 20, 2021. Period. No longer president, couldn't even order a sandwich without the incoming president's okay.

If an airplane fell on Biden's head the day before, the speaker of the house, who'd been sworn in January 3 with the rest of the 117th congress, would succeed to the presidency. Wherever she was would become the center of power.

[dware]

53. Wouldn't the Vice President elect be sworn in instead of Madam Pelosi?

Provided he/she wasn't with President elect Biden when that plane fell on him?

[Polybius]

63. Perhaps, but perhaps not

If God-forbid a President elect passed away on January 19th, that person never would have been sworn in as President yet. The the VP-elect was not elected President-elect by the Electors.

That VP-elect is just that: VP-elect. Since she was not the VP yet, she might not be able to assume the jump from VP to President.

Then again, maybe she can. On the 20th, maybe she would be sworn in as VP. Then a minute late, she automatically moves up and gets sworn in again. One thing is for certain though, it would be a battle to the Supreme Court.

[onenote]

71. Twentieth Amendment answers the question.

If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President.

[Polybius]

72. Thanks

But shouldn't it say: If, at the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the President, the President elect shall have died, the Vice President elect shall become President elect?

With that wording, if a President elect dies on January 5th, the VP elect automatically becomes President, and doesn't have to wait until the 20th.

[onenote]

73. No..

Trump is president until the time fixed for the beginning of the term of the president elect. If the president elect dies at any time between the electoral college votes and the time fixed for the beginning of the president elect, nothing changes except that the VP elect becomes president at the moment the president elect would have become president.

[Iggo]

55. November? No plan. January 20th? Don't know yet.

[NoMoreRepugs]

56. I'm a firm believer that WHATEVER is required will

be done. The US Military and the Secret Service will not allow things to get out of control.

That OATH is sacred, you can count on it.

[Progressive Jones]

57. It won't matter what Trump says. If he loses, he leaves.

If he won't leave voluntarily, he'll be physically removed.

Trump is a loud mouthed lout. What he says only matters to the Trump Chumps.

[totodeinhere]

64. You are correct. His term expires on January 20. Unless he is reeelcted he will no longer be

the president after that date no matter what he says or does.

[Thunderbeast]

58. Here is my fear...

My concern is that there ARE constitutuonal angles that can be played to nullify the vote. If the Senate hears and affirms a challenge by ONE house member to the validity of an election by questioning the rightful credentials of electors (as some Democrats in Congress attempted in 2000), the Senate CAN throw the challenged decision to the House of Representatives where EACH STATE GETS ONE VOTE. Each state's legislature can overturn their own voters' decision to cast their vote as they deem advantageous.

Just as prescident was ignored in the Merrick Garland nomination, many of us fear an end run to steal another election. The holy trinity of voter suppression, partisan Secretarys of State, and a widely viewed propaganda machine make all of this possible.

Trump would likely win this vote.

Who then will the military and Secret Service follow.

The Constitution assumes that the co-equal branches will check the power of the executive. It is all held together by an unwritten faith that no one branch will be allowed to usurp more power than intended by the founders.

The extraordinary power assumed by corporate America in their inflence on all three branches has distorted ALL of the assumptions made by Jefferson, Hamilton, Adams, and the other Constitution's authors.

[shockey80]

61. If that happened it is possible this could happen.

The American people would march on Washington and demand he leaves. If he refused, the people would remove him by force. The military would not protect Trump under those circumstances. That would be a coup if Trump refused to recognize the election.

Remember, this is still America. Trump can only push things so far before the American people will rebel. I am surprised we have not reached that point yet.

I have been wondering how many death threats Trump has been receiving while he has been president. Have you noticed you never hear about that. It must be off the charts.

I would never threaten Trumps life. What I dream about is something else.

[jmowreader]

65. On January 20, 2021, he will no longer be president

I kinda figure his handlers will talk him into.just going to Mar-a-Lago right after the election and not coming back. “Mr. President, the fake news and disloyal Democrats don’t deserve such a fine president as you, so why waste your time with them?” By that time his minions will be so disgusted with him they’ll be glad to see him go.

[onenote]

67. You first. What will YOU do?

[SiliconValley_Dem]

74. Snipers

[ck4829]

77. It would be time for a total renovation of the White House

[Captain Stern]

78. I'm not concerned that he won't leave on January 20th.

However, I am concerned about the amount of damage he can/will do between November 3rd, and January 20th.