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LuckyCharms

(17,444 posts)
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 02:45 PM Apr 2020

Secret Service Oath of Office

“I, [name], do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

Not that oaths mean a goddamn thing anymore, but...

To my feeble brain, it is apparent that Trump's performance at the presser yesterday would indicate that he made several public statements that are in direct contradiction to the United States Constitution. That's what actually happened, once you peel away all of the layers of bullshit and gaslighting.

Also, in a tweet today, he compares himself favorably to Captain Bligh. See, when the President of the United States of America tweets in that manner, the first thing that comes to my mind is that it is a veiled hint that he is declaring himself king while ignoring the rights of the States.

I know, I know, it's just a tweet. It's just a press conference. He didn't mean it that way. He didn't say that he was ignoring the constitution. he didn't "say" any of that.

But let me put it this way...even if he didn't directly "say" what he "implied", a prudent and reasonable person both within and without the US Government knew what he meant. Just because everything is wrapped up in a nice word salad does not take away the intent of his words.

Not to mention the withholding of critical PPE equipment which is causing the death and suffering of many, which in the minds of reasonable individuals, is a crime against humanity and a threat to homeland security.

I know, I know....the only way to remove him is by voting him out at this point. Impeachment didn't work, blah, blah blah.

But gee, you would think that people who have taken an oath to protect the constitution might write him a sternly written letter or something. I mean, people are getting knocks on their doors every day for all kinds of hideous things that they say and do.

Maybe their response to the people who knock on their door should be..."Oh you know that's not what I meant. I was just kidding. I wouldn't do that. I take no responsibility for what I said"!

I'm sure the response by the door knockers would be "Oh ok! Thank you for clearing that up. Have a nice day".

I believe that the United States Senate takes the same oath as above.

My conclusion is that oaths are not worth the hot breath it takes to recite them.

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Alex4Martinez

(2,193 posts)
2. Let's see if the Secret Service let's President Obama drive off the compound without an escort:
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 02:55 PM
Apr 2020

I think there are cases in which the president doesn't get his way.
This might be representative, even if staged:

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kurtcagle

(1,603 posts)
3. Secret Service and Military have similar oaths
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 03:02 PM
Apr 2020

... and neither of them should have the authority to unilaterally remove any person from office. A military coup (or a secret service assassination) takes us to a very dark place indeed, and while I want to see Trump removed from office and punished for his crimes, they have neither the right nor the responsibility to act in such a fashion.

The problem that we face here is that, by the law, Trump WAS elected President. Was the vote rigged? Possibly. Did the Russians (or some other foreign nationals) intervene? More than likely. Did Trump win the popular vote? No. What he did win was the Electoral College vote, and because of that, and for all of his incompetence and corruption, he is still the president.

Trust in the democratic process. It can only be subverted so far, and I think that the GOP has probably pushed it beyond the point where they are able to claim any legitimacy. Wisconsin was not an outlier - by all rights, the judgeship in question should have been in Republican hands today, but there was enough anger in a SWING state to pull off a stunning upset. That momentum is only going to get stronger between now and November.

LuckyCharms

(17,444 posts)
5. I am not talking about a coup, nor an assassination. Not even close.
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 03:15 PM
Apr 2020

What I am talking about is pressure, or at the very least, a direct and formalized acknowledgement by US Government employees who took these solemn oaths that the current situation is untenable.

What I am talking about is Senate removal subsequent to House Impeachment.

What I am talking about is reasonable public service officials at least making an attempt to honor their oaths.

What I am talking about is at least a formal and documented discussion on invoking the 25th amendment.

What I am talking about is people having the courage to do their jobs, as they swore they would do.

marble falls

(57,099 posts)
4. Same oath I remember taking and it still means a lot to me, its the understanding a citizen ...
Tue Apr 14, 2020, 03:10 PM
Apr 2020

adheres to even after she/he leaves a service and reverts to civilian: I support the government and the nation, as the government and the nation serves me.

kurtcagle

(1,603 posts)
7. Oaths
Fri Apr 17, 2020, 10:46 PM
Apr 2020

Oaths are promises. Promises only have meaning when a person specifically has the integrity to follow that oath. If you have no integrity, then oaths are meaningless, save only that people with integrity no longer trust you.

I think this says more about this country than anything else. I have met few people who are still Trump supporters that have integrity.

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