CDC, FEMA have created a plan to reopen America. Here's what it says.

[underpants]

WaPo subscription needed. Got a year just the other day.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/04/14/cdc-fema-have-created-plan-reopen-america-heres-what-it-says/

The plan lays out three-phases: Preparing the nation to reopen with a national communication campaign and community readiness assessment until May 1. Then, the effort, through May 15, would involve ramping up manufacturing of testing kits and personal protective equipment and increasing emergency funding. Then staged reopenings would begin, depending on local conditions. The plan does not give specific dates for reopenings but specified “not before May 1.”

The first priority, according to the CDC response document, is to “reopen community settings where children are cared for, including K-12 schools, daycares, and locally attended summer camps, to allow the workforce to return to work. Other community settings will follow with careful monitoring for increased transmission that exceeds the public health and health care systems.”

The plan also carries this warning: “Models indicate 30-day shelter in place followed by 180 day lifting of all mitigation results in large rebound curve — some level of mitigation will be needed until vaccines or broad community immunity is achieved for recovering communities.”

The plan describes the conditions under which it is reasonable to lift some community mitigation measures, the phased steps to reduce those measures and indicators to monitor the impact of transmission on public health and health system capacities.

[kentuck]

1. Putting childrens lives at risk so their parents can go back to work.

How sick is that?

[Ace Rothstein]

2. Kids have almost no risk of dying of this thing.

They have a much greater chance of being homeless if their parents can't work.

[tavernier]

11. And yet, many have died.

Well that’s ok. Maybe they won’t be yours.

[Ace Rothstein]

18. Many? No.

Some certainly have. This virus isn't going to go away on it's own and we aren't going to be able to sit around for years to wait for a vaccine. We're going to have to start going out and developing herd immunity.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

56. Many? Perhaps not. Too many? Unquestionably. . . . nt

[TeamPooka]

17. the kids accelerate community spread. That's how viruses work.

[Ace Rothstein]

20. No kidding?

We aren't going to be able to stay locked down long-term. Many people are going to end up getting this virus while we develop herd immunity.

[underpants]

21. There's is no evidence yet of immunity

None. Zero.

[Ace Rothstein]

22. There is no evidence that immunity doesn't exist.

Even if it doesn't then we just stay in our homes for eternity in fear of this thing?

[underpants]

24. You can't prove a negative.

No not forever. If we go out too soon then it will probably start all over again.

[Ace Rothstein]

59. There is going to be a second wave, there is really no way around it.

The virus is here and it is all over the place. Long-term lockdowns are not feasible. Many people are going to end up getting this virus.

[TeamPooka]

25. Please site any source that has claimed we need to stay inside for eternity as you say

or cut out the bullshit GOP talking points

[Ferrets are Cool]

33. Thank you

[Ace Rothstein]

58. GOP talking points? I don't pay attention to those.

I'm in a thread talking about things opening back up and everyone is losing their mind about it. Europe is making plans on opening up as well, this isn't specific to the US. We can't keep everyone locked in long-term as 90% of this place insinuates in their posts. We have to balance the health risks with the economic risks.

[TeamPooka]

61. So you can't defend your original statement. Thanks for playing

So you can’t defend your original statement. Thanks for playing

[Ace Rothstein]

62. My original statement was in response to someone saying there may not be immunity.

We don't know that yet. If we don't have immunity then we're just going to have to move on with our lives.

[tazkcmo]

28. Eternity?

Better check my corned beef supply...

[Blue_true]

37. In South Korea, some people that recovered from covid19 got reinfected.

One belief was that there are more than one strain of the virus and recovering from one doesn't shield a person from infection and sickness caused by another strain. I didn't read whether any of the reinfected people died, only that something like 80 people became sick again after recovering.

[kentuck]

55. Rather than immune, they may be more susceptible?

That would be the shits.

[Blue_true]

63. Yes, thinking about that fact does cause shriveling of the gonads.

But from what I read, a percentage of people that beat a flu strain catch it again. The article didn't go into whether the second infection is worse than the first.

[Ace Rothstein]

57. Another belief is that they had not recovered.

[Blue_true]

64. That is possible given how little is known about this virus. nt

[kentuck]

65. Also, I read today that it attacks not only the lungs but...

the liver, the heart, and the intestines, and perhaps other parts of the body.

It is a novel corona virus. Nobody knows that much about it yet.

[Blue_true]

69. Yes, I read about it attacking the liver yesterday.

It wil be interesting to see what eventually is found out about this thing, if I am still alive

[Pobeka]

23. +1 n/t

[Blues Heron]

27. huge risk of spreading it though

thanks but no thanks

[Squinch]

30. The staff of the NYC schools alone employ 75,000 staff members.

[GulfCoast66]

36. Or orphans if they carry the virus back to their parent or grandparents.

I agree we can’t stay like we are for a year. But we should not let arbitrary dates dictate when we ramp up.

[Blue_true]

38. Maybe everyone should be required to wear masks like in China and Taiwan.

Masks don't protect a person completely from infection, but they are said to greatly reduce spread.

[elias7]

45. So where are the kids going to live?

If they go home, they just infect their parents

[Ace Rothstein]

60. If their parents can't pay rent, they'll be on the street.

[underpants]

4. More on mitigation

Communities where it is necessary to maintain only “low mitigation” are places where the virus never spread significantly, and those locations can reopen soon, according to the document. Moderate mitigation is called for in former hot spots entering “controlled recovery.” Significant mitigation is recommended in current or emerging hot spots, or moderate mitigation communities showing signs of strained capacity.

In a community following the moderate mitigation track, the report says, schools could remain open with enhanced distancing measures, such as no assemblies, no sporting events and staggered scheduling.

[Blue_true]

39. What constitutes "low mitigation"?

The idiot governor of North Dakota though her state was going great, until several hundred people at one company fell sick.

I believe that we either need a good percentage of people tested, or a requirement that anyone out in public wear a mask. The 1918 pandemic started out with people not wearing masks, until the virus overwhelmed, then people were strongly encouraged to wear masks toward the end of it, that may have dropped the spread so low that the pandemic burned itself out.

[underpants]

51. I don't know.

I'm just posting more from the article.

The idea that - haven't had any so we WON'T have any - makes absolutely no sense unless you are waaaay out in the middle of nowhere and there is no traffic from the outside world.

[Blue_true]

66. The problem is even people out in the middle of nowhere that participate in the overall economy

come in contact with a person who either goes to populated areas, or has frequent near body contact with people that do.

Do you remember some of the posts here on DU that said the 1918 flu struck people in Anartica and in very isolated tribes? Somewhere those people directly or indirectly or very indirectly made contact with a person or people that visited populated regions that had the virus.

[underpants]

68. No I didn't see that

Interesting

[SheltieLover]

8. FK HIM & THEM!

I knew they would do this. Fkrs!

So we can possibly have an entire generation of kids with long-term lung, heart, liver & who knows what other health problems? 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

[Crunchy Frog]

43. It's putting the parents and grandparents lives at risk.

Children are at far less risk from this than they are in a typical flu season.

[NightWatcher]

3. The kids will be a super vector and spread it from family to family insanely quickly.

It will wipe out entire schools.

My kid is not going back until this is all over with.

[underpants]

7. Yeah. They seem to think they can just order people around

and everything will go right back like it was. For all the numbskulls we’ve seen a lot of people ARE doing the right thing and they aren’t going to just rush back out simply because someone (anyone) tells them to.

I’m reminded of the scene in Trading Places “Get them back in there! Turn the machines back ON!!!”

[SheltieLover]

9. This!👆

Time to register kids for online homeschooling I think.

[tavernier]

13. Florida Keys have been online schooling now for weeks.

[Crunchy Frog]

44. My kids are getting online instruction from their school.

When we first pulled them out we were told that we would have to homeschool, but then the school shut down a week later.

We will homeschool though, if they try to reopen the schools here prematurely.

[Chainfire]

5. We are supposed to believe

That they will have the necessary testing available to pull off a grand opening by the end of this month? Like they have told us the truth about everything else? Trump and clan can't piss down my leg and convince me it is raining.

Test first, open second. Promises don't mean a damn thing.

[underpants]

10. My boss says June 10th

and he said that 3 weeks ago. It’s his call not anyone else’s. He holds a presser everyday at 2.

[Chainfire]

34. Did he pull that date out of his butt?

Has his crystal balls told him that there would be a vaccine by that date? Universal testing? Protective equipment? Or are we just growing bored with saving lives and are just gonna chuck it all and let this virus burn it's way throughout the whole country?

I used to be that wise people ran the country and simpletons ran a shovel.

[KentuckyWoman]

47. Made me laugh

I say that all the time. "pulled it out of his butt"

Point of order though... Lots of college degrees among civic leaders, but wisdom has been in generally short supply in government to most people's thinking, if you go by the low approval levels.

[underpants]

50. No. That was set the third week in March (if memory serves)

That's still 2 months away. It can be changed but I doubt it will be sooner.

Schools were scheduled to finish June 12th so the 10th may have had something to do with his decision that quickly followed - closing schools for the school year.

[Iliyah]

6. I'm waiting on Governor Newsom . . .

fuck t-rump's cdc and fema.

[underpants]

12. I agree

My boss tells me when I can come back - see above.

Then it’s up to me. I’ve got a lot of leave.

[stillcool]

14. the federal government has zero validity...

they should be embarrassed to even mention testing.

[MoonlitKnight]

15. Ramp up testing should be step one

And should have started in January. We should be at full bore right now.

The longer he delays testing and tracing on a broad scale the longer we will be shut down. The whole reason for the shutdown was due to dawdling and wasted time implementing testing.

[Takket]

16. there is no way in hell that was written by anyone not named drumpf or kushner

first of all... there is no ramp up without a massive testing infrastructure. the first part of that plan is bass ackwards. you don't send people back to work then ramp up manufacturing of test kits.

2nd: open the schools??????? Okay great, because schools certain don't have a history for being a vector for virus transmission. besides the school year is almost over anyway! open the schools up and the country will be shut down again within 3 weeks.

[ooky]

32. Yep, and perhaps this time with the country's food supply chain infected and shut down.

Let's add nationwide starvation to our issues! Oh well, we'll need less toilet paper.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

26. Ramping up test kits production? You mean they haven't started that yet? And going to wait May 1?

[crickets]

31. Exactly. My first thought was, "show me the tests."

They've been promising tests for weeks and weeks now and there still aren't enough. Talk is cheap. Until they actually get past talking about ramping up tests, any plan is moot.

[Blue_true]

40. Look at who is trying to run the show.

It is like an incompetent circus clown is making decisions.

[Hortensis]

29. Agree. CDC and FEMA both run by corrupt, incompetent appointees.

"Reopening" based on "community assessments," testing later maybe?

As I said in another thread, those at higher risk who CAN stay home started self isolating well over a month before the first state's, California's, stay-at-home order. They'll stay home.

This would endanger those who are required to work, and of course households with children who're required to return to school.

I don't see Cuomo or Newsom, or other responsible governors, proceeding without proper timing and preparations.

[Blue_true]

41. The "community assessment" in North Dakota two weeks ago was full speed ahead.

Now they are a hotspot.

[Hortensis]

46. Or the contact tracing efforts revealed what was happening?

Good for ND for initiating in any case.

Google ND, and hits are almost entirely about that dreadful pork plant in SD.

[Blue_true]

67. Several hundred people got infected at that pork plant.

Those people have families and relatives who they may have infected, who in turn maybe infected their contacts. Given how small it's population is, it doesn't take long for a good part of that state to be infected.

[Hortensis]

70. More than 640 known cases as of tonight, "country's"

biggest coronavirus hot spot." I didn't realize the amazing history of that plant, though.

Before the Smithfield pork factory in Sioux Falls became the radiating core of South Dakota’s coronavirus outbreak, with more than 640 cases linked to the plant, it had been a kind of beacon of American prosperity for tens of thousands of employees who landed on the high prairie from Africa, East Asia and Latin America. But the opportunities were not obtained easily.

For more than 100 years, people fleeing war zones and abject poverty have put in long hours at the eight-story plant that churns 24 hours a day alongside the tree-lined Big Sioux River.

[Chainfire]

35. I have a prediction for all of you....

Trump and his red gang are going to fuck phase II up as bad as the fucked up phase I. Maybe worse, in phase one the spreadhad to build over time, in phase two, the virus is already spread all over the nation. If we get rid of the only thing that is keeping it somewhat in check we are going to have a hell of a time.

They will ending up pissing away the health of the nation and the economy.

[Blue_true]

42. I tend to agree with you.

The only thing that is keeping the virus in check are the controls that blue states pioneered. Like you said, the virus is everywhere now, there will be no time lag to import it in before people start getting sick.

[underpants]

54. Oh I'm sure they will

Remember they've actually DONE next to nothing. It's all promises and what's been ordered. They have 4 different agencies figuratively jumping into each supply truck. And NOW ,we've got another task force and this one includes Ivanka AND Jared this time in an official function.

[Baclava]

49. Oh just chip me and get it over with, they got an app for that?

[avebury]

52. I don't think that it is realistic for people to think that we will be able

to return to living the way that we used to and should we? Maybe the time has come for people to change how society functions. While thousands have become ill and many have died there are some positives that have come out of sheltering in place. The environment has shown improvement is some cities, wildlife is doing better and so on. Life is not meant to be stagnant but to evolve based upon changing conditions. Now may be the time to really push the Green New Deal and dealing with environmental issues. You might find more companies moving towards teleworking Our Governor is pushing for agencies to move more towards teleworking as much as possible. I think that is a movement that can save money. It pushes companies towards a paperless environment, you don't need as much office space which reduces utility costs and it can be a great deal for employees. You can't beat the commute, your work day might be more flexible, if you have a sick child you are already home to begin with so you can complete your work around taking care of the child, and so on. Homeschooling is a different matter. I have one co-worker whose husband also works for the state and he takes care of the children during the day while she works and then at 4PM they swap places and she takes over the kids while he works. People might rethink their priorities and become less materialistic.

I like to think about it as people figuring out how to take back their lives. People like Trump, the Rethugs and 1% don't care about the 99%, they only care about maintaining their wealth. The don't regard it as a great loss if people die as long as they maintain their wealth. If the 99% decide that they refuse to adhere to the rules of the 1% it will be rough in the short term but what can the 1% do in the long term? Even before the coronavirus pandemic things were not working in this country. This may motivate people to find what will work for them. Complacency has been knocked out of us.

[DFW]

53. I need to know a few things:

Will they let my wife into the USA? She is a German citizen

Will there be flights to the US again by July 1?

Can we stay at our usual hotel in Boston, can we rent a car at the airport, and will we be able to stay in a rented house near the tip of Cape Cod like we usually do?

Also--it would be nice not to get bitten in half by a great white shark while we're there. So far, we haven't been, but in the last couple of years, others have not been as fortunate.