WTH !!! Are we going to War????? Just flipped on Fox. They said war ships

[Laura PourMeADrink]

were headed to Libya. Said the strike yesterday was really meant for 9-11. Said their
commentators would be available around the clock tonight should something happen.

It was Shep saying it

[Posteritatis]

1. Warships *always* shuttle around after stuff like this. The US isn't going to war with Libya. (nt)

[Laura PourMeADrink]

12. Well, that will teach me not to land my remote scan on Fox ever again. They were acting

like a war was a certainty. It reminded me of the gulf war, where everyone came home from
work to watch the scuds fly...like it was a made for TV movie

[Confusious]

14. Probably easier to get all the people out that way

If things go really bad.

[Ineeda]

39. And it actually did happen yesterday: 9/11

and there are support/security troops en route to protect diplomats and two ships will, indeed, be off the Libyan coast. But NO, we're not going to war. Leave it to Faux to stir up the fear.

[littlewolf]

19. +1000 if it was a carrier or

... Marines ...that would be somethig else....

[cthulu2016]

2. Yes, two ships on their way. But that's SOP

It doesn't mean we will do anything in particular. The ships have a lot of useful technology... basing drones from them and such.

(And they have cruise missiles if needed.)

[fleur-de-lisa]

3. Wow . . . Shep is the only one over there with any sense of decency.

I just heard the same thing about the warships headed to Libya on the Ed Show . . . Ed is not on, can't remember the name of the guy subbing for him.

[Indpndnt]

27. Ezra Klein

And Shep IS the only one over there with any decency.

[fleur-de-lisa]

35. Oh yeah . . . Ezra.

Thanks!

[Stinky The Clown]

4. We always send ships in when such events occur.

A Navy task force is at least the equal of an average land-based military garrison. It would be malpractice to not send them.

[MADem]

11. +1...standby in the event of NEO (noncombatant evacuation op) nt

[MzShellG]

5. CNN also had that U.S. warships & 50 marines headed to Libya. nt

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

6. I'd hope we'd move warships in, not to go to war but to protect American

civilians in an evacuation if things were to get out of hand.

[kestrel91316]

7. Good lord. The Libyan government didn't attack the embassy. A bunch of thugs did.

[NutmegYankee]

26. It's for the possible evacuation of American Citizens

They serve as helicopter landing platforms and can defend themselves.

[kestrel91316]

33. Yep. But the RW is cheering because they are hoping we are gonna teach them evil

muslins a lesson and nuke 'em.

[PD Turk]

37. Exactly

And some also have medical facilities on board if needed

[Curtland1015]

8. We aren't going to war. The goverment of the country didn't attack us.

A handful of fringe crazies did.

[Ilsa]

9. We don't know if the US govt

is going to give Libya and Egypt ultimatums on turning over the criminals who murdered American State Dept personnel, either.

The WH might push back hard on getting justice for these people.

[MADem]

10. We bombed Libya before without going to war.

On more than one occasion.

We blew up one of Moamar's tents in the desert when Reagan had the con.

I would guess that, in the event that we discover with certainty who murdered our staffers, that "justice will be swift and sure" indeed.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

13. this is a good thing. I hate war and violence...but if they know exactly who killed these people

and collateral damage can be held to the absolute minimum....we must, unfortunately seek justice. If we could capture them, and get them tried, even better. Geez, can't believe it, I am sounding like a hawk, and I am not. I trust Obama to seek justice in the most humane way possible

[MADem]

18. That wasn't a threat he made, it was a promise.

If the new government of Libya can handle the situation appropriately, I believe he will let them. If there seems to be a bit of unwillingness to nail this down and it looks like there's not much progress being made, I think he'll move with deliberate speed with a measured response once he's decisively identified the murderers.

[justiceischeap]

15. Where do you think we'll launch the drones from? nt

[MADem]

21. If there are drones involved, they are as likely to be controlled from

a trailer in the desert on the west coast as anywhere. Drones don't require an operator nearby.

[justiceischeap]

24. Sorry, that was meant as sarcasm. :)

[MADem]

28. It could well be fact, I do acknowledge that possibility.

If they learn with absolute precision that the guy's name is SoandSo SuchandSuch and he and his band of operatives are hanging out in a tent forty miles from east Bumfuck, and they can get a positive ID and a clean bead on him, he just might find himself on the receiving end of the same kind of hospitality he meted out.

I think it would be preferable for Libya to do the "meting out" myself, but I do agree with the President's statement with regard to justice in this matter. Whatever it takes. We shouldn't 'tolerate' this, not even for a moment.

[justiceischeap]

29. As I understand it, the drones will be used to gather intelligence that will be passed

to the Libyan's to handle as they see fit.

[MADem]

36. Unless they are in the room -- virtually, anyway -- and we're

holding hands with them, like we used to do with the ISI before they started being BLATANTLY duplicitous...

In that case, one would ask them "Shall we push the button?" and if they say "Yes" then justice is, er, served. They make the call, but we deliver the goods. Or maybe not. I'm not in on these details from my comfy couch at home!

[spanone]

16. this is a big deal. thank God Obama is the President.

no war.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

17. I know !!! I trust him

[progressoid]

20. Well, during the entire Bush reign, we were supposedly going to war with Iran too.

There is a lot of stuff of the TV that should be ignored.

[LiberalAndProud]

22. Given the GNC statement, I can't see any justification for war against Libya.

It would make no sense, except in RomneyWorld, I suppose.

http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/2012/09/12/libyan-government-releases-statement-on-u-s-consulate-attack/
Also, the GNC and Transitional Government present in the name of the Libyan people their deepest condolences to the US Government, the American people, the families of the Ambassador and victims, and confirm the close ties between Libya and the United States, which have become even closer since the decision of the American government to support the revolution of 2/17.

Romney and the neocons have managed to change our perception of what happened. A couple of dozen terrorists did this. I hope our own paramilitary groups don't get any big ideas.

[HereSince1628]

23. I don't think warships are going to do much more than steam off the coast...

Sure they could lob a few shells, maybe launch cruise missles, but at what?

The US would love to attack 2 things...

people coordinating attacks on American interests

or

people conducting attacks on American interests.



The event is OVER no point in going after option 2

There is no evidence that we have an idea who coordinated this, although an attack on a wedding or funeral might make it seem that we do.

[reformist2]

25. What's really scary is how Fox creates an alternative universe for their viewers.

I think that's one key to understanding the grip that the right-wing has over them - They are so fearful that they are actually afraid to believe things aren't as bad as they have been told.

[cecilfirefox]

30. Those ships are support, etc., don't panic! ;) nt

[RKP5637]

31. Don't fall for Fox Panic. That's not too unusual to move the carriers around. It's

a floating base of operations. There is not going to be a war. We are not at war with Libya. Religious fanatics got rilled up. I heard one report saying some interviewed did not even know what they were doing, they just joined in, hadn't even seen the film. Frankly, I would be concerned if the US were not moving in a couple of carriers. As someone else said, they can also be used for evacuation. The US always has these carriers moving around, they don't sit docked.

[Puregonzo1188]

32. Didn't we already go to war with Libya?

Twice in one year? What are they the new Haiti?

[viguy007]

34. Two Things To Remember

1) if it is on fox, it is likely it is not news.
2) we are not going to war, but Obama has to look tough, and responsive to what happened.

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

38. My guess....

I'm thinking that there are probably Special Forces on one of those ships. If there is any hard intelligence on who did this -- and it appears that it may have been a terrorist cell using the mob violence as cover -- my guess is that our people will be paying them a visit.

[B Calm]

40. FOX don't have even one foot in reality!

We sent a small destroyer with a handful of marines to guard the embassy.

[Zen Democrat]

41. I'm inclined to believe that this was an Al Qaeda attack within Libya.

And I believe that the US will assist in eliminating their camp - it has to be somewhere inside the country. The new no. 1 / old no. 2, Al-Zawahiri, called for vengeance for the drone killing of the "new no. 2," Al-Libbi (the Libyan) and did this just yesterday. Then that night, there are these embassy murders AFTER the bad-movie protests were overtaken by armed combatants. The Libyan government and people aren't anti-American.