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zonkers

(5,865 posts)
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 08:31 PM Apr 2020

Warren as Biden's VP choice? No way. Not after her dismal primary performance.

And I love Warren. I love what she stands for. She inspires me every time she speaks. She was my pick for the Democratic nomination. But no. Not after couldn't even win her own state. It's a bad idea. And with big media currently pumping her up... I am more convinced than ever, it is a horrible idea.

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Warren as Biden's VP choice? No way. Not after her dismal primary performance. (Original Post) zonkers Apr 2020 OP
I think he'll go with Amy calguy Apr 2020 #1
Yes on that, But that is not the core of why she will be picked. judeling Apr 2020 #10
Post removed Post removed Apr 2020 #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Apr 2020 #12
Makes no sense Dem4Life1102 Apr 2020 #20
Same could be said for Harris madville Apr 2020 #2
I think Kamala is best suited to be the next AG calguy Apr 2020 #19
Klobuchar won't help in any swing states Dem4Life1102 Apr 2020 #21
There are other choices that could help Biden win in other states. TexasTowelie Apr 2020 #3
Like Biden zipplewrath Apr 2020 #4
Warren has value DarthDem Apr 2020 #5
I Don't Want Warren Either But Not Because of Her Performance In the Primary Indykatie Apr 2020 #6
I think Biden should look outside the Senate. tritsofme Apr 2020 #7
Has nothing to do with primary run, she can bring the Bernie progressive crowd home Baclava Apr 2020 #8
VP would be a misuse of Warren judeling Apr 2020 #9
re: "VP is not a policy position." It is if the president makes it one. thesquanderer Apr 2020 #14
We will see how Joe uses Jill judeling Apr 2020 #17
The point is that Joe can put the VP in charge of as little or as much as he wants. thesquanderer Apr 2020 #18
Too dangerous Green Line Apr 2020 #13
I see no reason to think that primary success correlates with VP value. thesquanderer Apr 2020 #15
I think that substantively she would be a great choice Proud Liberal Dem Apr 2020 #16
Maybe we need a DU:Primaries forum blogslut Apr 2020 #22

calguy

(5,319 posts)
1. I think he'll go with Amy
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 08:37 PM
Apr 2020

Amy is a good debater, she is smart, she has experience, and she can help solidify the midwest states.

judeling

(1,086 posts)
10. Yes on that, But that is not the core of why she will be picked.
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 09:31 PM
Apr 2020

Biden has been clear he is looking for alignment in a VP. It will take a lot for anyone else t overcome the advantage she has with that criteria.

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Dem4Life1102

(3,974 posts)
20. Makes no sense
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 09:47 PM
Apr 2020

She is from a solid blue state and doesn’t help flip any swing states like Florida or North Carolina. She won’t help energize the African American which has to come out like they did for Obama. And she is even more centrist than Biden so she won’t help attract progressives.

madville

(7,412 posts)
2. Same could be said for Harris
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 08:37 PM
Apr 2020

She had a lackluster primary performance and did not enthuse Democratic voters. She was positioned to finish 3rd or 4th at best in her home state of CA.

My money is on Klobuchar or Michigan’s Governor being his first choice, they would add much more in the swing states where a Senator from a state like MA or CA can actually be a liability in the general election.

calguy

(5,319 posts)
19. I think Kamala is best suited to be the next AG
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 09:38 PM
Apr 2020

There's are lot of crimes being committed right now and we need her to prosecute those committing those crimes. She's the right person for that job.

TexasTowelie

(112,300 posts)
3. There are other choices that could help Biden win in other states.
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 08:38 PM
Apr 2020

I don't see where including Warren on the ticket helps to deliver the swing states needed to win the general election. Some of the other options might sway enough voters that we win the state and Electoral College delegates.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
4. Like Biden
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 08:42 PM
Apr 2020

When Obama picked him? I don't remember stellar primary performances by Biden. In fact I seem to remember he got into a plagiarism problem early on.

DarthDem

(5,256 posts)
5. Warren has value
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 08:43 PM
Apr 2020

For example, she would probably destroy Pence in the Veep debate. But there would be endless questions about how she reconciled her stances in the primary with Biden's. And the one time she was really questioned heavily in the primary season - about paying for MFA - she didn't really respond very well IMO.

Then you have the issue, perceived or not, of two white 70+ people on one ticket.

Finally, we lose her Senate seat for at least a few months unless the MA legislature changes the law. But the GOP will cry that the Democrats are changing the rules and break out violins - and they'd be right.

There are simply better choices. I personally want to know more about Catherine Cortez Masto.

Indykatie

(3,697 posts)
6. I Don't Want Warren Either But Not Because of Her Performance In the Primary
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 09:06 PM
Apr 2020

None of the women candidates fared well in the primaries if that's the criteria. I haven't noticed big media pumping Warren up but I could be missing it. I think the best choices would be Whitmer then Harris. There's no general consensus on who it should be so there will be some disappointed people regardless of the pick.

tritsofme

(17,381 posts)
7. I think Biden should look outside the Senate.
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 09:08 PM
Apr 2020

“That woman” in Michigan being a good place to start.

 

Baclava

(12,047 posts)
8. Has nothing to do with primary run, she can bring the Bernie progressive crowd home
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 09:16 PM
Apr 2020

And she's a fighter! She will stand up to Trump and punch him in the mouth.

go Liz!

judeling

(1,086 posts)
9. VP would be a misuse of Warren
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 09:28 PM
Apr 2020

VP is not a policy position. I'd like to see her at Labor for a Francis Perkins echo.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
14. re: "VP is not a policy position." It is if the president makes it one.
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 12:21 PM
Apr 2020

Heck, when it came to health care, Bill Clinton made first-spouse a policy position.

judeling

(1,086 posts)
17. We will see how Joe uses Jill
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 06:37 PM
Apr 2020

But Hillarycare sort of proves my point. Even Bush only handed Cheney implementation.
But Biden for sure doesn't see it as a policy position.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
18. The point is that Joe can put the VP in charge of as little or as much as he wants.
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 06:43 PM
Apr 2020

And I'd say Cheney guided a lot of policy.

Green Line

(1,123 posts)
13. Too dangerous
Mon Apr 20, 2020, 10:01 PM
Apr 2020

We have a Republican Governor, there will be a special election, but what if Charlie Baker decided to run? I can't stand him, but his approval ratings are very high here. He plays a moderate game, but he's a Republican through and through.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
15. I see no reason to think that primary success correlates with VP value.
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 04:05 PM
Apr 2020

In a general election, you're appealing to a different pool of voters than you did in the primaries (or in this case, a mere handful of primaries), and you are up against different competitors.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,417 posts)
16. I think that substantively she would be a great choice
Tue Apr 21, 2020, 04:09 PM
Apr 2020

I'm worried more about the fact that both she and Biden are elderly and that we would (at least temporarily) lose Warren's Senate seat to Republican.

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