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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsSweden Must Import Trash For Energy Conversion Because Its Recycling Program Is So Successful
I think if the US starting selling our trash to countries with waste to energy programs, we would probably make hundreds of billions of dollars per year. No more deficit!
*Forgot the link*
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/12/sweden-imports-trash_n_1876746.html
JesterCS
(1,827 posts)HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)Response to HiPointDem (Reply #2)
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HiPointDem
(20,729 posts).99center
(1,237 posts)With Sweden they wouldn't be investing so much on green energy. Maybe they realize that reducing trash in other country's is good for everyone on this planet, including Sweden.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)somehow i doubt that calculus will balance.
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Mariana
(14,857 posts)to send trainloads of garbage to Sweden than it would be to make and run additional landfills and/or incinerators.
piratefish08
(3,133 posts)HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)it takes fuel to ship truckloads (800,000 tons) of garbage around the continent. what kind of stupid ecology is that?
sweden is up in the northern reaches of europe, you're saying they just import their garbage from finland and norway or something?
i doubt it, since finland and norway probably have something similar.
i'll bet they import it from the eastern bloc countries. cheaper garbage, less recycling.
.99center
(1,237 posts)I think you skimmed over the article a bit to quick "Because it has become so good at recycling, Sweden now is importing 800,000 tons of trash each year from other European countries, including Norway, to power its waste-to-energy program, Public Radio International reports. Burned waste powers 20 percent of Sweden's district heating as well as electricity for roughly 250,000 Swedish homes."
From the link at huffpo it go's on to say "Sweden has recently begun to import about eight hundred thousand tons of trash from the rest of Europe per year to use in its power plants. The majority of the imported waste comes from neighboring Norway because its more expensive to burn the trash there and cheaper for the Norwegians to simply export their waste to Sweden.http://www.pri.org/stories/science/environment/swedes-import-trash-to-power-the-nation-10428.html
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)pulp and plastic so you can burn it. 800,000 tons, 1 ton for every 12 people in sweden.
i also doubt they do this 'because their recycling program is so successful'.
it's because its cheaper than oil.
piratefish08
(3,133 posts)"you're saying they just import their garbage from finland and norway or something?"
Yes, that's exactly what they say in the very first sentence of the article you obviously decided to not read before commenting.
pampango
(24,692 posts)Good for the earth, not just that part of the earth located within lines on a piece of paper.
In contrast, Americans recycled just 34 percent of their waste in 2010, according to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, and more than half of U.S. household waste in 2010 ended up in landfills, 136 million tons of garbage in total.
In just one example of U.S. waste, Americans throw away nearly half of their food, costing roughly $165 billion per year, according to a recent study by the Natural Resources Defense Council.
Swedes recycle 96% of their waste, Americans 34%. Quite a disparity.
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)they're importing wood pulp, paper and plastic. then they burn it.
The soviets used the same system: district heating.
In many cases large combined heat and power district heating schemes are owned by a single entity. This was typically the case in the old Eastern bloc countries. However the majority of schemes the ownership of the cogeneration plant is separate from the heat using part.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/District_heating
Quantess
(27,630 posts)SilveryMoon
(121 posts)Totally forgot to include it.
Fridays Child
(23,998 posts)HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)It's about cost structure, not 'the earth'.
Between 1996 and 2002, the Swedish import of so-called yellow waste for energy recovery increased. The import mainly consisted of separated wood waste and mixes of used wood and paper and/or plastics that was combusted in district heat production plants (DHPPs). Some mixed waste was imported to waste incineration plants for energy recovery (10% of the import of yellow waste for energy recovery in 2002). The import came primarily from Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, Denmark and Finland. We identified six underlying driving forces for this recent increase of imported waste which are outlined and their interactive issues discussed.
The energy system infrastructure, which enables high energy recovery in Sweden.
The energy taxation, where high Swedish taxes on fossil fuels make relatively expensive solid biofuels the main alternative for base load production of district heat.
The quality of the waste-derived fuels, which has been higher in the exporting countries than in Sweden.
The bans on landfilling within Europe and the shortage of waste treatment capacity.
Taxes on waste management in Europe.
Gate fee differences between exporting countries and Sweden.
In the future, the overall strength of these driving forces will probably be weakened. A Swedish tax on waste incineration is being investigated. In other European countries, the ambition to reach the Kyoto targets and increase the renewable electricity production could improve the competitiveness of waste-derived fuels in comparison with fossil fuels. Swedish DHPPs using waste-derived fuels will experience higher costs after the Waste Incineration Directive is fully implemented. The uncertainty about European waste generation and treatment capacity, however, might have a large influence on the future gate fees and thus also on the yellow waste import into Sweden.
http://wmr.sagepub.com/content/23/1/3.abstract
TVDS
(2 posts)Does anyone know what are the biggest recycling factories in Sweden?