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TreadSoftly

(219 posts)
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 01:47 PM Apr 2020

Does "state going bankrupt" equal "federal takeover of state"?

Did I misremember or have there been governments in USA that DID go bankrupt and had the state take over?

With that logic, then going bankrupt amounts to having the federal gov't take over your state.

Is that the import of this? Am I missing something e.g. in charters for municipalities maybe there is a state takeover clause?

Comments are appreciated...

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Does "state going bankrupt" equal "federal takeover of state"? (Original Post) TreadSoftly Apr 2020 OP
States cannot go bankrupt. guillaumeb Apr 2020 #1
However most states must run a balanced budget lapfog_1 Apr 2020 #3
Very true. guillaumeb Apr 2020 #4
That needs to end. roamer65 Apr 2020 #7
In addition: guillaumeb Apr 2020 #2
What McConnell wants states to do is blow off their pensioners and raid the pension funds. Girard442 Apr 2020 #5
One of the biggest aspirations inherent in allowing states to declare bankruptcy is to kill alwaysinasnit Apr 2020 #6

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
1. States cannot go bankrupt.
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 01:48 PM
Apr 2020

They are sovereign entities. McConnell is simply trying to divert attention from the fact that the GOP is willing to allow people to die as long as he can remake the Federal Judiciary.

lapfog_1

(29,205 posts)
3. However most states must run a balanced budget
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 01:52 PM
Apr 2020

this means drastic cuts in other state funded and run programs... public education being the top of the list, but other social programs to assist the needy and homeless too, not to mention cuts in police, fire, and other first responders.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
4. Very true.
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 01:55 PM
Apr 2020

And if these states with such requirements drastically cut services, this will increase pressure on politicians.

We saw that even in red state like Oklahoma, public worker strikes received much public support.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
7. That needs to end.
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 02:19 PM
Apr 2020

Canadian provinces can run deficits, so too should American states.

Also goes to show us that there would be more flexibility for northern border states in the Canadian confederation.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
2. In addition:
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 01:50 PM
Apr 2020
Why can’t states use the federal bankruptcy system to reorganize their debt?
“There are two reasons why state governments currently cannot use the federal bankruptcy system to reorganize their debt.
First, the federal bankruptcy code does not allow—and has never allowed—state governments to declare bankruptcy. Since 1937, the bankruptcy code has allowed ‘municipalities’ to declare bankruptcy. The term ‘municipality’ is defined in the bankruptcy code as a ‘political subdivision or public agency or instrumentality of a state.’ This definition is broad enough to include cities, counties, townships, school districts and public improvement districts. It also includes revenue-producing bodies that provide services which are paid for by users rather than by general taxes, such as bridge authorities, highway authorities and gas authorities. But it does not include state governments.


https://www.csg.org/pubs/capitolideas/enews/issue65_3.aspx

Girard442

(6,077 posts)
5. What McConnell wants states to do is blow off their pensioners and raid the pension funds.
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 02:14 PM
Apr 2020

It's all part of the plan to wreck the middle class.

On edit: Bankruptcy would also allow states to abrogate contracts with unions.

alwaysinasnit

(5,066 posts)
6. One of the biggest aspirations inherent in allowing states to declare bankruptcy is to kill
Sun Apr 26, 2020, 02:14 PM
Apr 2020

public service workers' pensions. Republicans just don't like people to have any kind of security or safety net protections.

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