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phantom power

(25,966 posts)
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 12:04 PM Sep 2012

Permanent Injunction Against Indefinite Military Detention in NDAA Issued by Federal Judge

A federal judge issued a ruling on September 12 that permanently enjoined a provision of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) that was signed by President Barack Obama codifying indefinite military detention into United State law last year. She found that the writers, journalists and activists who were plaintiffs in the lawsuit had demonstrated actual and reasonably that their First Amendment-protected activities could subject them to indefinite military detention and ruled the public had a greater interest in preserving the First Amendment and due process rights than allowing law enforcement to have this tool.

Judge Katherine B. Forrest, a judge appointed by Obama, had already issued a temporary injunction against Section 1021 of the NDAA. That section authorized the President to “use all necessary and appropriate force pursuant to the Authorization for Use of Military Force (AUMF), including “the authority of the Armed Forces of the United States to detain covered persons.” The section said a “covered person” was “a person who was part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.” Persons detained could be held without trial “under the law of war” until the “end of hostilities authorized by the AUMF.”

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Since the September 11th attacks government has sought to claim powers that infringe upon liberties and do so without explanation on the mere basis that if government did explain what was being done they might reveal methods or techniques being used to defeat alleged terrorists. Judges have given great deference to the Executive Branch and allowed it to invoke the state secrets privilege to avoid accountability and justice for any crimes committed in the “war on terrorism.” But here, a federal judge is preemptively blocking a national security law before the government really has any opportunity to employ it on the basis that the government drew it up poorly and failed to properly define what could lead someone to be subject to indefinite military detention. Moreover, the judge is insinuating and suggesting throughout that the government would be able to use this power of preventive detention in an Orwellian manner and so she must intervene.

Forrest added it was impossible to understand the “scope” of this provision without key terms being defined. The government was unable or unwilling to provide definitions. The government expended little energy or resources in trying to provide the court with definitions. They did not take the vagueness seriously at all or think the judge would care that they had no interest in defining these terms, which were primarily responsible for the plaintiffs bringing a lawsuit against the government. She determined the “statute’s vagueness” fell short of “what due process requires.”

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Essentially, the judge found it had hollowed out an American’s right to due process. That alone is extraordinary, and even more extraordinary is the fact that a federal judge read into this law, made such an astute conclusion, and accepted the government might violate the due process of citizens if allowed to use this provision.

http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2012/09/13/permanent-injunction-against-ndaa-provision-issued-by-federal-judge/
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Permanent Injunction Against Indefinite Military Detention in NDAA Issued by Federal Judge (Original Post) phantom power Sep 2012 OP
When Congress and the executive branch overreach, Comrade Grumpy Sep 2012 #1
Du rec. Nt xchrom Sep 2012 #2
Big Rec. The Judiciary is alive. MannyGoldstein Sep 2012 #3
Everyone needs to see this - Hell Hath No Fury Sep 2012 #4
K&R redqueen Sep 2012 #5
Since the Obama administration is appealing, the short answer is no. former9thward Sep 2012 #8
Where have you heard that it is appealing? I don't doubt that it will but Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #15
There is an update at the link. former9thward Sep 2012 #17
Great news, MadHound Sep 2012 #6
kr HiPointDem Sep 2012 #7
That is very good news. sabrina 1 Sep 2012 #9
K&R &, at the risk of being reviled here, curious about congruence, or lack thereof, between this & patrice Sep 2012 #10
Yeah, we'll see. If the rethugs rework it, it will be worse. Tigress DEM Sep 2012 #19
Excellent news. Smilo Sep 2012 #11
Great news! backscatter712 Sep 2012 #12
k&r for the Constitution. Thanks for posting. n/t Laelth Sep 2012 #13
THis makes me happy! lunatica Sep 2012 #14
My post from yesterday announcing this (includes link to pdf of the ruling) Luminous Animal Sep 2012 #16
Too bad they just didn't give a provision to exclude journalists. Tigress DEM Sep 2012 #18
 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
1. When Congress and the executive branch overreach,
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 12:08 PM
Sep 2012

we rely on the judiciary to rein them in. Thank you, judge.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
15. Where have you heard that it is appealing? I don't doubt that it will but
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 05:27 PM
Sep 2012

I've heard nothing about an appeal yet.

former9thward

(32,017 posts)
17. There is an update at the link.
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 05:38 PM
Sep 2012
UPDATE: Less than twenty-four hours later, as expected, Obama Justice Department files appeal to federal judge’s ruling.
 

MadHound

(34,179 posts)
6. Great news,
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 02:48 PM
Sep 2012

However this will probably be bucked up to the Supreme Court, and given the authoritarian nature of the court, they will probably lift the injunction.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
9. That is very good news.
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 02:53 PM
Sep 2012

The balance of powers only works when at least one part of the balance understands their role in reigning in the others.

That was a very good ruling and badly needed.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
10. K&R &, at the risk of being reviled here, curious about congruence, or lack thereof, between this &
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 03:04 PM
Sep 2012

NDAA 2012 Presidential Signing Statement.

Tigress DEM

(7,887 posts)
19. Yeah, we'll see. If the rethugs rework it, it will be worse.
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 10:46 PM
Sep 2012
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2011/12/31/statement-president-hr-1540

Particularly this part:

section 1021(e)
Moreover, I want to clarify that my Administration will not authorize the indefinite military detention without trial of American citizens. Indeed, I believe that doing so would break with our most important traditions and values as a Nation. My Administration will interpret section 1021 in a manner that ensures that any detention it authorizes complies with the Constitution, the laws of war, and all other applicable law.

Smilo

(1,944 posts)
11. Excellent news.
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 03:07 PM
Sep 2012

Thank you Judge Forrest for being a voice of reason and ruling on law, not on personal ideologies.

Tigress DEM

(7,887 posts)
18. Too bad they just didn't give a provision to exclude journalists.
Thu Sep 13, 2012, 10:39 PM
Sep 2012

Not that I'm supporting the act in general, we have enough laws on the books for actual acts of treason and that seems like the real gist of why the power was granted.

Belligerent acts and journalists are like PBJ they just go together naturally, so I see why they were concerned. True 4th Estate reporting often tells truths that those in power don't want to hear. But telling the truth isn't necessarily "directly supporting hostilities" so I think the journalists were over playing their hand, but they won. Good for them.


a “covered person” was “a person who was part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces.” Persons detained could be held without trial “under the law of war” until the “end of hostilities authorized by the AUMF.”
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