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Celerity

(43,485 posts)
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 10:29 AM Apr 2020

Trump is unravelling - even his supporters can't ignore it now

The president is leaning heavily on sarcasm to excuse a range of blunders, but US conservatives are unimpressed

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/28/trump-is-unravelling-even-his-supporters-cant-ignore-it-now



I don’t know what kind of disinfectant Donald Trump has been injecting, but the man does not appear to be well. The president’s lethal medical musing has turned him into (even more of) a global laughing stock and the widespread ridicule has clearly bruised his fragile ego. While Trump has never been a paradigm of calmness or competence, he has become increasingly irate and erratic in recent days. Now even his diehard supporters seem to be cooling towards him. Is the “very stable genius” starting to unravel?

Let’s start with the president’s weekend tweetstorm, which, even by Trumpian standards, was spectacularly unhinged. On Sunday, Trump lashed out at what he called a “phony story” in the New York Times that claimed he spends his days eating junk food and watching TV. “I will often be in the Oval Office late into the night & read & see [in the Times] that I am angrily eating a hamberger & Diet Coke in my bedroom,” he tweeted. “People with me are always stunned.” He then deleted the tweet and replaced it with one in which hamburger was spelled correctly. (This was clearly a challenge for him: he has previously misspelled hamburgers “hamberders”.) It turned out that the hambergers were just an appetiser. A rant about the “Noble” prize, which Trump seems to have confused with the Pulitzer prize, followed. This was subsequently deleted and replaced with a tweet stating it had all been an exercise in sarcasm. He is a master of sarcasm, as we all know.

While none of Trump’s aides seem able to shut down his Twitter account, they are trying to tone down his daily press briefings. Trump didn’t hold a briefing over the weekend as he normally does, while Monday’s event was cancelled and then reinstated. “We like to keep reporters on their toes,” the White House director of strategic communications, Alyssa Farah, tweeted with a winking emoji. She then deleted the tweet – presumably to keep reporters on their toes. Monday’s briefing was notable for the briefness of Trump’s remarks; instead of treating it like a political rally, he ceded the floor to a number of CEOs.

Trump enjoyed a bump in his ratings last month when he stopped downplaying coronavirus and announced a 15-day plan to slow the virus’s spread. During his brief experiment with coherence, 55% of Americans said they approved of the way he was handling the crisis and CNN’s chief political correspondent, Dana Bash, told viewers Trump “is being the kind of leader that people need”. The tide now seems to have turned. Recent polls show that most Americans are unimpressed with Trump’s handling of the crisis. This includes conservatives: a Siena College poll released on Monday found that 56% of Republican voters in New York say they trust Andrew Cuomo, the state’s Democratic governor, to decide how to reopen the state over Trump. Even Fox News seems to have cooled towards Trumpism; the network has just cut ties with Diamond & Silk, a pair of rightwing social-media stars who have been two of Trump’s biggest cheerleaders, after they promoted conspiracy theories and disinformation.

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Trump is unravelling - even his supporters can't ignore it now (Original Post) Celerity Apr 2020 OP
He's been 'unravelling' for 3 years. tman Apr 2020 #1
Agreed. TwilightZone Apr 2020 #2
The difference is now Americans are dying, including Repukes. MoonRiver Apr 2020 #3
He struck me as a phony when I first Harker Apr 2020 #16
First heard of him in the 80's MotorCityBeard Apr 2020 #37
I was selling books in a shop when "TRUMP: The Art of the Deal" was released. Harker Apr 2020 #38
The last 3 years? Beacool Apr 2020 #25
This. cwydro Apr 2020 #34
Ha ha ha - "can't ignore it" jmg257 Apr 2020 #4
the trumpkin in my life is getting squeezed. cognitive dissonance is building up. mopinko Apr 2020 #5
His supporters tazkcmo Apr 2020 #6
Yes, spoke to two Trump supporters yesterday. They're not only still all in, they are doubling down. Midnight Writer Apr 2020 #19
I don't get these types of posts PasadenaTrudy Apr 2020 #7
What are you talking about? Celerity Apr 2020 #8
Not to put words in PasadenaTrudy's mouth PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2020 #17
I just take umbrage with circumlocution being employed to basically slur me as stupid via inference Celerity Apr 2020 #24
Surely you've noticed all of the PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2020 #28
That was not my point nt Celerity Apr 2020 #29
I've noticed them. Several posters continually post them. cwydro Apr 2020 #35
I kind of have to agree... Chakaconcarne Apr 2020 #15
I don't get your post...are you saying Trump is not unraveling? Demsrule86 Apr 2020 #27
The interesting part is the projection going on here Amishman Apr 2020 #9
That is one of their bread and butter moves. Caliman73 Apr 2020 #21
Disinfectants to be bucolic_frolic Apr 2020 #10
I've heard that sunshine is the best disinfectant. n/t Harker Apr 2020 #18
I believe that voting Kaiserguy Apr 2020 #22
That could clear up one awful disease Harker Apr 2020 #23
& the daily press conferences are the reason why subana Apr 2020 #11
Rump is a two bit con man/carnival barker, unfortunately around 100 million US citizens partially or Celerity Apr 2020 #12
"Some of the people ALL of the time" Pluvious Apr 2020 #26
The leaks are now open holes in the hull underpants Apr 2020 #13
I was going to ask Leith Apr 2020 #14
Trump can't spell even simple words because he doesn't read. dlk Apr 2020 #20
His supporters don't care what he does as long as they think he's protecting ooky Apr 2020 #30
I wanna see that fucker fall apart and turn into a pile of shit Blue Owl Apr 2020 #31
He's already a pile of shit jcgoldie Apr 2020 #33
I think that the author of this piece Bettie Apr 2020 #32
"During his brief experiment with coherence... " liberalla Apr 2020 #36
Funny the books on what goes on in the white house put him in his bed around 6:30 most nights Marrah_Goodman Apr 2020 #39

tman

(983 posts)
1. He's been 'unravelling' for 3 years.
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 10:32 AM
Apr 2020

This time is different?

Just vote. Everything else is irrelevant and probably wrong.

TwilightZone

(25,473 posts)
2. Agreed.
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 10:34 AM
Apr 2020

He's been like this since day one of his candidacy. I really don't see a significant difference. The real difference is that he's being called on the reckless/idiotic/lying behavior more and more frequently and has no answers.

MotorCityBeard

(201 posts)
37. First heard of him in the 80's
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 09:58 PM
Apr 2020

Pictures of him screwing around with Marla Maples were turning up in tabloids. That was how Mrs. Trump #1 found out they were getting divorced.

My opinion formed then and hasn't changed; he's nothing but a sleazy, crooked little con man.

Then there was his damn book ("The Art of the Deal&quot that EVERYbody was reading, including my brother who is not much of a reader. "Oh, you have to read this, it's the best book, he's really smart and such an amazing businessman..."

Been a major reader all my life, but took a pass on that one. There was nothing the sleazy, crooked little con man had to say that I wanted to hear (read).

Harker

(14,033 posts)
38. I was selling books in a shop when "TRUMP: The Art of the Deal" was released.
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 11:08 PM
Apr 2020

I was instantly sorry to have heard of him, and it went steadily downhill from there.

Beacool

(30,250 posts)
25. The last 3 years?
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 01:12 PM
Apr 2020

He's been unraveling for decades. He's always been a lying con man with the brain matter of a gnat and an all around POS.


mopinko

(70,197 posts)
5. the trumpkin in my life is getting squeezed. cognitive dissonance is building up.
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 10:58 AM
Apr 2020

follows fucker carlson and scott adams. blowing up harder and harder whenever we cant avoid the issues.

Midnight Writer

(21,788 posts)
19. Yes, spoke to two Trump supporters yesterday. They're not only still all in, they are doubling down.
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 12:47 PM
Apr 2020

There is no communicating with them.

PasadenaTrudy

(3,998 posts)
7. I don't get these types of posts
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 11:21 AM
Apr 2020

These have been popping up for four years now. DU is so stupid sometimes.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,881 posts)
17. Not to put words in PasadenaTrudy's mouth
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 12:45 PM
Apr 2020

but there have been a never-ending number of "He's done it now!" or "This is it, he'll be gone soon" kinds of posts. Someone confidently posting that he'll be gone real soon. Hasn't happened. Worse, his general popularity has hardly wavered all this time.

Celerity

(43,485 posts)
24. I just take umbrage with circumlocution being employed to basically slur me as stupid via inference
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 01:00 PM
Apr 2020

and indirect fashioning in terms of verbiage.

that's fucking bollocks

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
35. I've noticed them. Several posters continually post them.
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 06:46 PM
Apr 2020

“He’s toast.” “This is it.” He’s gone.” He’s done it this time.”

I used to bookmark those posts, but gave up. They’ve been wrong so far.

Chakaconcarne

(2,460 posts)
15. I kind of have to agree...
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 12:31 PM
Apr 2020

I've heard this so many times.... and each time it presents as a revelation..... the straw about to break the camel's back.

this is my opinion.


Amishman

(5,559 posts)
9. The interesting part is the projection going on here
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 11:58 AM
Apr 2020

As we point to Trump coming fully unglued, they try to do a spin move and project, claiming Biden has mental issues.

Caliman73

(11,744 posts)
21. That is one of their bread and butter moves.
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 12:51 PM
Apr 2020

Republicans have been doing that for years. They are the ones who came up with the idea of the Unitary Executive, trying to make the President like a king, then they spent 8 years calling President Obama a tyrant. Republicans call liberals "sickos" and "libertines" but the Bible belt has the highest percentage by far of pornography viewing, and their tastes are let's say, not vanilla.

Projecting is just what they do.

subana

(586 posts)
11. & the daily press conferences are the reason why
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 12:11 PM
Apr 2020

as usual, the more he talks the more trouble he gets himself into! Now because of his irresponsible comments, poison control centers are swamped with phone calls about if they should ingest disinfectants!

Billy Bush tells a story about one time when he was interviewing donnie. Donnie bragged about how his show The Apprentice was #1 in the ratings. Billy said the show isn't #1 & it hasn't been in about 5 years! When the camera was off he corned Bush & told him it doesn't matter if you're telling the truth, that people will believe it if he says it!!

I think he still uses this strategy & it's why he tells so many lies. He still thinks people will think it's the truth if it comes from donnie! After his recent press conferences I think there are many people who are unwilling to accept his lies as truth.



Celerity

(43,485 posts)
12. Rump is a two bit con man/carnival barker, unfortunately around 100 million US citizens partially or
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 12:21 PM
Apr 2020

fully buys the utter tosh he is selling. 100 million being his voters, their families, and then the penumbra of non-voters who are still virulent scum and push the worst parts of his projections and lies.

underpants

(182,868 posts)
13. The leaks are now open holes in the hull
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 12:27 PM
Apr 2020

Today we get audio AUDIO from his call with Governors.

Someone leaked his PDB’s!?!?? That’s an actual security violation as far as I know.

Someone SOMEONE inside is trying to get a message out.

Leith

(7,813 posts)
14. I was going to ask
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 12:31 PM
Apr 2020

When was he ever raveled?

Then I double checked dictionary.com and got my answer:
- to tangle or entangle.
- to involve; confuse; perplex.
- to become disjoined thread by thread or fiber by fiber; fray.
- to become tangled.
- to become confused or perplexed.
- (of a road surface) to lose aggregate.

He has always been tangled, perplexed, frayed, confused, and "losing aggregate." In other words, being raveled is his natural state. As is getting himself unraveled.

dlk

(11,575 posts)
20. Trump can't spell even simple words because he doesn't read.
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 12:50 PM
Apr 2020

The leader of the free world is a complete ignoramus.

ooky

(8,926 posts)
30. His supporters don't care what he does as long as they think he's protecting
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 02:49 PM
Apr 2020

their "guns". They would vote for a gorilla as long as it means they can continue to have assault weapons, and most of them have probably figured out by now that he probably does have the IQ of a gorilla. It doesn't matter to them that he's stupid.

Bettie

(16,120 posts)
32. I think that the author of this piece
Tue Apr 28, 2020, 06:35 PM
Apr 2020

underestimates the level of denial and the amount of fuckery his supporters indulge in.

But yeah, he's losing it. Unfortunately, they just keep doubling down.

It has to peel off some of them though. They can't all be idiots.

Marrah_Goodman

(1,586 posts)
39. Funny the books on what goes on in the white house put him in his bed around 6:30 most nights
Wed Apr 29, 2020, 12:05 AM
Apr 2020

I am SHOCKED that he would lie.

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