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Breaking: Massive fire at the Abbco Tower in Sharjah, UAE. The residential skyscraper is 48 stories (Original Post) Celerity May 2020 OP
Jeez ... Delphinus May 2020 #1
Does trump or jared have a stake in that building? They need that insurance money. BamaRefugee May 2020 #2
Texting my contacts in UAE. Not far from their apartment JCMach1 May 2020 #3
My first thought: Alcoa panels? NT mahatmakanejeeves May 2020 #4
see this Celerity May 2020 #7
Haven't these fires become somewhat common? Mike 03 May 2020 #5
Call for owners, developers to assess fire risk on older UAE buildings (2017) Celerity May 2020 #6
Wow, thank you for posting this. Mike 03 May 2020 #10
yes, Grenfell had shite aluminium filled with a polyethylene core Celerity May 2020 #12
That was a terrible tragedy. NT Mike 03 May 2020 #13
yes, I grew up in South Kensington, around 3 miles away (10 minutes on the tube) from Grenfell Celerity May 2020 #15
I'm an Alcoa shareholder, but I don't mind talking about this. mahatmakanejeeves May 2020 #14
No regulation or strict building codes, just what the orange one wants for us. redstatebluegirl May 2020 #16
Fire may be out: Twitter Mike 03 May 2020 #8
thanks for the updates Celerity May 2020 #11
Wow, that is a huge fire Marrah_Goodman May 2020 #9
Vibes. applegrove May 2020 #17
Wouldn't some built in fire suppression put the fire out? Seems like a Trump Tower fire uponit7771 May 2020 #18

JCMach1

(27,562 posts)
3. Texting my contacts in UAE. Not far from their apartment
Tue May 5, 2020, 03:47 PM
May 2020

I used to shop at the mall very close to this. I know this area. They built so densely that fighting this would be almost impossible. Additionally, other buildings are extremely close.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
5. Haven't these fires become somewhat common?
Tue May 5, 2020, 03:51 PM
May 2020

Dubai has had a couple. They throw these buildings up in a hurry, as beautiful as they are.

EDIT: Wow, it's a huge fire. At night. Did they have time to evacuate people?

EDIT: FYI, it's five minutes to midnight in Sharjah. Awful time for a fire like this...

Celerity

(43,458 posts)
6. Call for owners, developers to assess fire risk on older UAE buildings (2017)
Tue May 5, 2020, 03:58 PM
May 2020
https://www.thenational.ae/uae/environment/call-for-owners-developers-to-assess-fire-risk-on-older-uae-buildings-1.620993


The Torch - one of the tallest residential towers in the world - went up in flames for a second time on August 4. Antonie Robertson / The National

Developers are hiring fire experts to assess the aluminium cladding on apartment blocks but more owners must come forward to evaluate risks and formulate strategies to ensure the safety of residents. Regular maintenance of safety equipment, fire drills and strict enforcement of fines is key to keeping older buildings with flammable aluminium cladding safe from fires, experts said. Authorities are currently working with experts to study if fire barriers can be added to delay the spread of a blaze in buildings with aluminium panels with a combustible thermoplastic core. But these are long-term measure and experts said other important steps can be taken in the interim.

“I don’t believe we can do it with one entity like an authority going around and looking at all the buildings. The way to do it is to ask anyone who owns the buildings to make that assessment and pool all that information,” said Andy Dean, head of facades at engineering firm WSP. “Everybody who owns a building really ought to be thinking about assessing their level of risk because, until you know the nature and extent of the problem, how can you fix it? “So either a homeowners’ association or an office landlord gets involved, whoever is charged with the responsibility of that building. I can’t see any good reason why anyone would wait any longer.”

A basic assessment to sketch out the extent of problems can cost a developer just Dh20,000. “Nobody wants to be alarmist but a lot of the more responsible developers and building owners are assessing their building stock. They are looking for expert advice, some of them on a single building basis, to make that initial assessment and understand where the problems are and trying to quantify it,” Mr Dean said. “You don’t have to spend a fortune doing it but it’s money well spent.” There have been strong calls for enhanced safety after the second fire in as many years recently gripped Dubai Marina’s The Torch tower, one of the world’s tallest residential buildings, and the tragic Grenfell Fire in London that killed 79 people, fuelled by flammable aluminium panelling. Cladding has also fuelled the flames in at least five major tower fires in the UAE over the past five years.

Of these, Dubai Police said that the 2012 fire in Tamweel Tower in Jumeirah Lakes Towers was caused by a cigarette butt thrown into a waste bin containing flammable material including paper. Experts have estimated that between 65 to 70 per cent buildings in the UAE have some form of aluminium panels surrounding a thermoplastic core, but civil defence officials have refuted the figure, saying that a much smaller percentage of buildings had non-fire rated exterior cladding. Official data is not available. Authorities in the UAE banned this cladding following the federal 2012 Fire and Life Safety Code but concerns remain for buildings constructed before the code. While the cost to replace the entire cladding is prohibitive and, in many cases, not possible due to the placement and coverage of the exterior covering, occupants must be more aware of the risks.

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Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
10. Wow, thank you for posting this.
Tue May 5, 2020, 04:04 PM
May 2020

I wonder if this is the same issue as befell Grenfell Tower in the UK. IIRC it was a combustible cladding issue, but I can't remember if aluminum was involved.

Celerity

(43,458 posts)
15. yes, I grew up in South Kensington, around 3 miles away (10 minutes on the tube) from Grenfell
Tue May 5, 2020, 04:21 PM
May 2020

It has very near to White City, a large shopping mall.

Horrid tragedy, and a testament to greed.

mahatmakanejeeves

(57,545 posts)
14. I'm an Alcoa shareholder, but I don't mind talking about this.
Tue May 5, 2020, 04:10 PM
May 2020

There were building code issues at play. I can participate in any search at DU for this. When was that?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grenfell_Tower_fire

June 14, 2017

Hit the DU archives.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
8. Fire may be out: Twitter
Tue May 5, 2020, 04:00 PM
May 2020



Text: It took several drones, at least a dozen fire trucks, and scores of firefighters but authorities finally put out a massive #fire that ravaged the 40-floor Abbco Tower in #AlNahda #Sharjah. Cooling ops underway

And haunting video of the building enveloped in unimaginably thick black smoke, like it's smoldering.
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