New Rule: Sex Monster Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)

[gulliver]

Gotta agree with Maher 100% on this.

[Silent3]

1. Yes, not so much agreement earlier in the show, but he nailed the ending.

Maher is tough on people who don't follow the science on climate change and evolution, but he's not at all in touch with science himself with his belief in the practically magical power of the immune system of people who eat well and exercise. That helps some, yes, but it's not the miracle solution he thinks. Plenty of strong, healthy people can get wiped out by diseases too.

Then there was that fucking idiot he had on who just wasn't sure who she'd vote for... I know I know who she is, but can't remember her name now.

Christ! All the damage Trump has caused, and there are STILL a whole bunch of these assholes who treat their vote like the point of it is self-entitled self-expression, and not the RESULT their vote has!

[gulliver]

2. I agree with all of your points.

[misanthrope]

7. Amy Holmes

Look up her track record and it will make a lot more sense. She's a right-wing propagandist.

[CountMyVote4Reality]

9. +1

Once upon a time, she might have known better. She has clearly sold her soul for a niche in the RW pot stirrer "who can we get to say that" market.

[Shermann]

10. I think he's taking a macro view

He didn't go so far as to assert that a strong, healthy individual couldn't get sick. He's saying the human race as a whole is going to be A-OK. Which is true.

The disconnect there is that individuals don't take a macro view when it comes to their own wellbeing. That luxury is reserved for entertainers and politicians and billionaires.

[Silent3]

12. I think in Maher's case its a bit more than just a macro view

While I'm sure if you asked Maher flat-out if good diet and exercise make you literally invincible, he'd say "of course not", time and again he's talked about this issue in a way that he sounds like individuals would personally be damned near invincible.

[Dem4Life1102]

17. True

Plus all that "we have to reopen the economy BS". He sounded like a right winger.

[smirkymonkey]

3. I have to admit, I am completely on board with him here.

This whole Tara Reade scandal is just bullshit. Get back to us when you have investigated Trump's 22 (or more) accusers. Even if he was guilty of what she said, I still wouldn't care. Nobody is worse than Trump in this department. However, I do think she is lying and politically motivated. She and the republicans backing her can all go to hell.

[Cha]

4. THANK You, Bill Maher! The Point IS.. READE is LYING.. he does brings

out some solid points of Reade's story that don't add up.

Maher said about Reade and her Praising putin Before she deleted.. But, screenshots.. apparently not fitting into her agenda now.

I don't think Dems are "coalescing" about "investigating" though. The DNC said they will not "investigate".. Perez said he believes Joe Biden and he's already been investigated by Pres Obama.. then Senator Obama.

Elizabeth Warren said she Believed Joe Biden, and so did Gov Cuomo. Gov Newsome just Endorsed Joe Biden.. 3 Dem Power Houses FOR Joe Biden.

Some don't want to question Reade bc they want to bring down Joe Biden no matter WHAT. FUCK THAT NOISE.

[BGBD]

5. Yup

He missed the target there. Democrats are universally rallying around Biden on this. The only people pushing it are Trump supporters and people who tweet "#NeverBiden or #BernieComeback.

He did however nail the point that #BeleiveWomen was not a position that should have been held. Women can be just as bad as men. We should have been clear that our position was that we will take accusations seriously, but we still need proof.

Sexual assault/harrassment is the only crime I can think of where someone can make an accusation and people will expect that the accused not only prove that they didn't do it, but also prove that there was never a crime.

How do you prove that you didn't do something? The only chance you have is that they say it happened at a specific time and you can prove that you were somewhere else like the false O'Donnell accusations last week. If you do like Reade and say that you don't remember when it happened then you have no chance to prove that you weren't there. All that you can do is find the holes in their story and go after them

[Cha]

6. Exactly, BGBD.. "The dems" he's saying are doing this

are all over twitter with #neverBiden and smearing him with their brainwashed talking points.

Actual Dems see that Reade's story looks like Swiss Cheese. They're busy investigating Reade and coming up with Receipts and salient Facts.

Too bad Maher didn't bring up Christine O'Donnell's accusation that got Blown Out of the Water Twice!

And, yes I was glad he brought up the #BelieveWomen meme that Reade supporters are pushing hypocritically. They didn't "believe" Elizabeth Warren or Assange's accusers.. so much for that. It should be "Take Accusations Seriously and Verify" Unfortunately for Reade.. her story was full of shite from the beginning and all the twists and gaslighting over the years did Not help her case. She didn't even name Joe Biden to the D.C. police.. it's under "Subject". Wonder why? Something to do with.. it's a Crime to file a false police report?

Link to tweet

[Silent3]

11. That untempered #BelieveWomen viewpoint had been pretty popular right here on DU

In the recent past, no matter how reasonable your argument against taking this too far was, you'd had been roundly attacked on DU before for stating your objections to orthodoxy.

Only now that we need to correct the overly broad and naive interpretation of #BelieveWomen to defend Biden has this atmosphere changed. Otherwise DU still wouldn't be having any of it.

What remains true is that women who publicly accuse women do quite often go through hell for doing so. I'm sure Reade is getting a lot of shit for what she's doing right now. The often-stated argument was the NO woman would put herself through that ordeal if what she was saying wasn't true.

But clearly it is possible for a woman to want to hurt a man so badly that she'll put up with the ordeal in order to achieve her goal. In the case of big-stakes political games, it's also clearly possible that someone will be well-rewarded by the rivals of the man accused for their efforts.

[BGBD]

19. We

should never speak in absolutes.

Regardless of what anyone here said, it was a bad idea. It's not even an idea that you can defend in a debate. As Maher said, it's not noble, it's gullible. There will always be a supply of women willing and able to make up an accusation against someone prominent. We know Jabob Wohl has worked grifts to do just that against no fewer than four people in the past year. He's incompetent, but he's also not the only person who would be willing to try it, and those other people could be way smarter about it. IN the past week we have one accusation against Biden that was quickly proven false, but only because he happened to have had surgery that week. IF the surgery had been a week later and he'd just happened to have been at that dinner, that accusation would have been accepted at face value and we'd be dealing with it right now too.

As for the ordeal, TR is benefiting from this. She's been trying to find a way to go viral in support of her writing for years. Look at the articles she wrote and was tweeting at everyone for the year after her first allegations. She's over 80k Twitter followers now, and she was pretty much unknown before doing this. She's getting the attention that she wants and the community she wants to be influential in, far left politics, she's being treated like a hero.

[pnwmom]

8. And that sexual assault scene her father included in his memoir

is so much like what she says happened to her . . . hopefully it never happened to her . . .

But I'm sure if anyone did that to her, it wasn't Joe.

[Shermann]

13. There is a bit of an upside here

Incidents like this prove that the Democratic Party doesn't have the MSM in its back pocket.

Unless that's what they want you to think.

[uponit7771]

15. +1, complete opposite the M$M are a bunch of complicate assholes who need to be manipulated ...

... constantly.

They should all be calling Trump a lunatic but refuse to but they're turning #BeleiveWomen into #BelieveAnythingWomenSayAllTheTimeNoMatterWhat and the DNC not confronting this strawman is not helping.

[Shermann]

16. Do you think Faux News will offer a small concession there?

Probably not.

[superpatriotman]

14. I agree with Bill

If you’re not with us you’re against us.

[Dem4Life1102]

18. Why didn't he call out Sanders supporters

who are the people on the left pushing this?