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I have an idea. If the court decides that indeed America has a King rather than a President you should all apply to become part of Britain again, after all our Queen would be so much better than your king...
Seriously though surely even his most ardent arse kissers in SCOTUS are not going to rip up the Constitution. I mean I thought America was built on the principal that monarchy and absolute power suck hugely...
wcmagumba
(2,892 posts)That's why they were put there...to make a (thuglican)
sop
(10,265 posts)ffr
(22,672 posts)Republicans are masters at flip-flop.
Mr. Ected
(9,670 posts)Unless the composition of the Court also changes and America is returned to Americans. Otherwise, providing broad powers to Trump also means providing them to each and every one of his successors, regardless of party.
That being said, Democrats would never push the envelope under those circumstances. We behave ourselves, which means that only half the country is self-policing. The other half is fascist.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)I can't figure out what they are thinking, but I think they are about to set a dangerous precedent.
And we can't count on Democrats to never push the envelope. Once you corrupt the presidency itself, it will corrupt the presidents who follow.
Lonestarblue
(10,085 posts)If Trump wins this one, the Roberts Court will forever be known as an extension of the Republican Party.
mountain grammy
(26,655 posts)catrose
(5,073 posts)Lock him up.
(6,941 posts)I say let's go to Canada (Trudeau + SPHC among other beauties except freezing 7 months/year).
catrose
(5,073 posts)Yavin4
(35,446 posts)Although our food would suck.
central scrutinizer
(11,662 posts)As people started driving on the other side of the road
Yavin4
(35,446 posts)And TV shows that are 4 episodes long.
mwooldri
(10,303 posts)But then there would be no more PBS pledge drives as all those PBS member stations would become part of the BBC.
It's probably worth it since TV and radio news will be required to have a sense of balance and fairness... OFCOM does enforce this... Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity could not survive on UK TV or radio in their present form - their broadcasters would be fined into oblivion.
And TV shows that are four episodes long? Coronation Street ( a prime time "soap opera" ) has been running since 1960.
As for bad teeth - I say Americans have just as bad teeth because dentistry in the UK and the USA is largely private.
not fooled
(5,801 posts)as long as I can keep my dentist.
Yavin4
(35,446 posts)Dentistry is illegal.
lunatica
(53,410 posts)Like everyone else on the planet. I dont think the MAGATs could tax their brains that much.
world wide wally
(21,755 posts)sfstaxprep
(9,998 posts)scarletwoman
(31,893 posts)<snip>
In the lower court rulings as these cases (and others in which Trump has made similar sweeping claims of immunity) make their way up to the Supreme Court, Trump hasnt just lost. Again and again, judges expressed shock and even outrage at the audacity of his claims before rejecting them out of hand.
Consider the first two cases the Supreme Court heard together, the ones involving congressional subpoenas for his tax returns. The position Trumps lawyers have taken is essentially that Congress didnt have a good enough reason to exercise its subpoena power, and therefore the subpoenas are invalid even though theyre directed at outside companies.
Again and again before the high court, Trumps lawyers used the word harassment to describe Congresss requests, claiming they had no legitimate legislative purpose. Thats despite the fact that the House explicitly cited their legislative purpose: They need to know what kinds of conflicts of interest Trump has to see if the countrys ethics laws need to be strengthened, not to mention figuring out whether legislation ought to be passed requiring presidents to release their tax returns.
But no, Trumps lawyers said. Thats not good enough, because what theyre really doing is trying to harass him. Its just political, and because hes president, he can shield his personal records from their view.
As Justice Elena Kagan noted, Trump would essentially make it impossible for Congress to perform oversight and carry out its functions where the presidency is concerned.
(more at link)
erronis
(15,355 posts)Soph0571
(9,685 posts)But because I am in the UK sometimes it is not possible to get access to certain news sites in the US
bucolic_frolic
(43,311 posts)to refuse to file tax returns, or to file bogus ones. Might even resurrect Huey Long - every man a king!
ecstatic
(32,733 posts)What would stop him from commiting crimes to stay in office?
That's called a dictatorship.
Are the rethugs on the Supreme Court really willing to go down this road?
machoneman
(4,011 posts)Roberts and then all the other winger judges starting with Kavanaugh!
StarzGuy
(254 posts)So, now, of course he lost every single time in the lower courts and of course since tRump packed the Supreme court with his tools, they will block the US House of Representative's and NY attorney general subpoenas so that the American people will not see the fraud he committed on all sorts of loan documents and tax returns for the likes of the billions in loans at the likes of Deutsche Bank. Gee, I just can't wait for that decision to be handed down sometime in June.
There is no middle ground. Either the IRS and Deutsche bank will be required to turn over the documents or not. I'm betting not. What say you?
Soph0571
(9,685 posts)They will 'fight' to save face with a mild dissenting opinion from the righties, but he will lose. Other then the rabid rapist on the bench, I think all others have enough brains to know that a decision that rips up the constitution will see America damned. They should not have agreed to hear it. They should have sent it back to the lower courts.
We will see. Democracy hangs by a thread on this one I fear.
NewJeffCT
(56,829 posts)George is predicting the NY State case will be 8-1 or 9-0 against Trump and 7-2 against Trump in the House/Mazar's case.
Both worked as Solicitors General, so have argued before SCOTUS
Link to tweet
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tclambert
(11,087 posts)He thinks it had something to do with taking control of the airports.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)Last edited Tue May 12, 2020, 07:28 PM - Edit history (1)
...stayed with England have more functioning Democracies today and better safety nets for their citizens. And less slavery in their history.
That Boston Tea Party that was so romanticized in our text books was just an American Tea Corporation revolting against paying taxes to a bigger English Corporation. Not really a bunch of ordinary people yearning to be free.
George Washington was the richest man in the colonies at the time. A slave-oligarch, really.
Soph0571
(9,685 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,595 posts)as precedent. At least that's what the government attorneys argued.
She burst out laughing in surprise. Stephanie Miller, who was interviewing her and passed on the argument that had been made by the government, remarked, "I've never seen anything surprise Jill Wine-Banks before."
OMGWTF
(3,976 posts)Tuesdays around 7:30am PT. Stephanie is da bomb!
PS - I spend winters in Palm Springs but my heart lives there year-round.