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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsCentral Park "Karen" has lost her job
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Following our internal review of the incident in Central Park yesterday, we have made the decision to terminate the employee involved, effective immediately. We do not tolerate racism of any kind at Franklin Templeton.
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2:24 PM - May 26, 2020
jimfields33
(15,948 posts)demmiblue
(36,885 posts)nilram
(2,893 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,836 posts)Apparently they've finished investigating and now she's fired.
AllyCat
(16,222 posts)mcar
(42,372 posts)This is the first I've seen that she's been fired.
nilram
(2,893 posts)Progressive Law
(617 posts)relayerbob
(6,555 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)kcr
(15,320 posts)supposed to show that they're hip to current memes?
marmar
(77,090 posts)Celerity
(43,498 posts)Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)BComplex
(8,064 posts)But I'm glad that she's getting her comeuppance. That could have ended with the loss of life.
MissB
(15,812 posts)She had a bunch of social media posts about her dog too. Rather, her former dog.
question everything
(47,534 posts)MissB
(15,812 posts)And then she either relinquished or was forced to relinquish him.
So now hes her former dog.
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)gets a much better owner. Poor thing was being strangled. She is no dog lover.
SpaceNeedle
(191 posts)His was the 4th or 5th response to the original video.
IronLionZion
(45,528 posts)madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)Quite the day!
IronLionZion
(45,528 posts)Several DUers are concerned about her mental state
There are plenty of toothless Nazis out there if she wants one.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Her reaction was completely out of proportion to the situation. She was hysterical.
Mopar151
(9,997 posts)When there is a malignant turd inside you waiting to burst out and B FWEE!!!!!FWEEESSSSS!!!!!!!!
It's not really all that nice, to find out someone you had to get on reasonably with ( i.e. Former coworkers, employers, neighbors) is dead rotten, in some critical part of her soul. How could you employ someone like that, anywhere?
MagickMuffin
(15,952 posts)The victims being Christian Cooper and Henry the doggie.
Celerity
(43,498 posts)davsand
(13,421 posts)underpants
(182,878 posts)????
MissB
(15,812 posts)And its currently at CNN.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/05/26/us/central-park-video-dog-video-african-american-trnd/index.html
Happened yesterday morning. By the evening shed relinquished her dog to the rescue organization shed adopted from and shed been put on leave.
underpants
(182,878 posts)SunSeeker
(51,697 posts)The way she yanked that dog by the collar was so abusive. As was her treatment of her fellow human being.
She really wasnt in tune with her dog, which boded poorly for his treatment.
Kittycow
(2,396 posts)but I gotta say, the way she was repeatedly choking out the dog by the collar shocked the hell out of me.
I'm so grateful the dog is safe again. I wonder if it's going to have trauma of strangers now.
Xolodno
(6,401 posts)When you go viral for being an asshole....the repercussions last a long time.
TheBlackAdder
(28,211 posts)tblue37
(65,487 posts)could have been lost as a result of her false 911 call.
Cha
(297,655 posts)Celerity
(43,498 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Joinfortmill
(14,456 posts)Enough of this white privilege bullshit
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)the people of NYC need her to be charged and prosecuted. The evil of her attempt to use the power of government to destroy this man is not limited to racism, even if that triggered her depravity. No one is safe around someone who would do that.
Fullduplexxx
(7,870 posts)lunatica
(53,410 posts)The reason she did what she did was because she knew she would not get any repercussions. Racists need to take their hatred away from the public.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)Even if she was a little ticked off at him for asking that she lease the dog, she had many options of handling that, she chose the one that was most threatening to the man.
relayerbob
(6,555 posts)People need to be held accountable. Good that her employer won't put up with this BS, now it's time for the rest of society to know that we are done with this crap.
MissB
(15,812 posts)But not in this case. She put that man in mortal danger.
Not sure Canada will be willing to take her back.
Iggo
(47,565 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,114 posts)This was a serious crime, she basically wanted the police to come and and assault that man so she was all panicky to try to get them to act with force when they got there. He did nothing wrong. The way she manhandled her poor dog added to her problems.
I do not like this form of social justice normally, however, she made too many mistakes and her apology was a joke. Maybe she can learn from this.
erronis
(15,328 posts)to others.
I've read somewhere that self-pity is one of the strongest emotions.
Self-pity seems to also be the prime motivator of the bloviator-in-chief.
japple
(9,839 posts)appaled at how she was overreacting to the birdwatcher and she was really jerking that poor dog around.
RobinA
(9,894 posts)a mob. Commenters know nothing about this woman or why she might have acted the way she did. The reaction is despicable.
marmar
(77,090 posts).... and call the police on him.
mcar
(42,372 posts)She tried to get man arrested or killed for the high crime of asking her to leash her dog. I really don't care about her motivation.
PatrickforO
(14,587 posts)a) it went viral
b) she has to join what, 40 million other Americans out of work?
c) they took her dog
But then, she shouldn't have done what she did.
Maru Kitteh
(28,342 posts)Solomon
(12,319 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)What HR departments like to waffle about when resumes are followed up on, they said right out so it could never be mistaken: They fired her and for that reason.
Fritz Walter
(4,292 posts)Great series from the "Beeb" a few decades ago!
From my scan of recent headlines, there might be some slaughterhouses and meat-packing plants (or, should I say "abattoirs"?)
who could use her unique talents and skills.
Note to self: Binge-watch that excellent series and draw whatever parallels I can to our current political situation.
Solomon
(12,319 posts)I_UndergroundPanther
(12,480 posts)Decades ago on Maryland public television I forgot how much I enjoyed it. I was taking my second year of Latin in high school. So it was especially informative and a good series. I might try to get it on DVD..
LuvNewcastle
(16,856 posts)reporting a crime. She endangered that man's life. He could have ended up with some cop's knee on his throat. This is serious shit.
SunSeeker
(51,697 posts)Swatting is a deadly crime:
Man Pleads Guilty to Swatting Hoax That Resulted in a Fatal Shooting
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/11/13/us/barriss-swatting-wichita.html
Squidly
(783 posts)There was this girl who had just broken up with her boyfriend. We all used to "cruise the strip" back in the day, and when she saw him she went in to the nearby Burger King and called the police screaming that he had a gun and was threatening to kill her.
Within minutes the cops had him surrounded in the lot with guns drawn and face in the pavement.
I have zero doubt in my mind that if this would have happened today that he would be dead.
If I recall, she didn't even receive any sort if official reprimand other than a slap on the wrist. It could have turned out to be a nightmare.
OAITW r.2.0
(24,610 posts)Cuz, she knows that the right response will make this person regret filming her civil law breaking.
OAITW r.2.0
(24,610 posts)Losing her dog and job probably won't help her state of mind.
Mariana
(14,860 posts)I noticed that when the dog started to yelp, she quickly brought the phone down closer to him so the dispatcher would hear it more clearly.
RobinA
(9,894 posts)how?
Mariana
(14,860 posts)That's why I wrote "I think" right in the headline of my post.
When she caused the dog to yelp, she quickly bent down with the phone close to him, and then she even went so far as to tell the dispatcher, "I'm sorry, I can't hear!" Maybe it was just coincidence that she did that right at that moment, but it sure looks like she was using the dog's distress as a sound effect to support her lies.
Celerity
(43,498 posts)what a POS, so happy to her arse get the sacking
relayerbob
(6,555 posts)but she seems disturbed in any event
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Whether there were any signs that she wasn't quite right in the head, or even if she was just really uptight and highly strung.
denbot
(9,901 posts)They have people for that..
erronis
(15,328 posts)play back in inverse.
Cruelty inflicted on an "other" isn't how we can move forward as a civilization.
I'm agreeing with you, BTW.
demmiblue
(36,885 posts)Mr. Cooper, who works in communications and graduated from Harvard, according to his LinkedIn profile, included his account of the conversation that took place before he began filming.
First he asked her to leash her dog, he said. She refused.
Look, if youre going to do what you want, Im going to do what I want, but youre not going to like it, he told her, according to his post.
Mr. Cooper, who is on the board of the New York City Audubon Society, then produced dog treats, which he explained, he carries because it forces owners to leash their dogs to prevent the animal from snacking.
I pull out the dog treats I carry for just for such intransigence, he wrote. Thats when I started video recording with my iPhone, and when her inner Karen fully emerged and took a dark turn, he said, using the name Karen, which has become slang for an entitled white woman.
Adding to the fractiousness of the exchange is a long history of tension between birders and dog walkers in Central Park, magnified by the fraught climate of the pandemic lockdown. At one point Ms. Cooper, wearing a face mask, lunges toward Mr. Cooper, a behavior that some who viewed the video have called an assault, because of the violation of social distancing that occurs.
It was particularly a punch in the gut for a lot of people, said Professor Katheryn Russell-Brown, the director of the Center for the Study of Race and Race Relations at the University of Floridas Levin College of Law. It ties into and taps into a long history of white women in particular falsely accusing black men of crimes that leads to great harm.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/26/nyregion/amy-cooper-dog-central-park.html
A HERETIC I AM
(24,377 posts)If you go to this website, you can search for any "Registered Representative" currently licensed to trade securities in the United States.
https://brokercheck.finra.org/
She does not show up, even though she was apparently a "Fixed Income Specialist". The fact that she doesn't show up even as a former employee is very curious. It is possible that she was not a holder of a Series 7 or any other license, but I find that kind of hard to believe as she was working for a firm that has been around since the 1940's.
I wanted to look her up to see if she had any infractions or compliance issues, but oh well.
Susan Calvin
(1,649 posts)If she put her dog on a leash when asked, there wouldn't have been any problem.
She had two chances and she blew it.
mcar
(42,372 posts)Esp considering the rules in the park. She had no cause to react that way.
maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)Swift justice for filmed transgressions by nobodies; no Justice for filmed transgressions the Rich and Powerful.
This victory feels a tad Pyrrhic.
Maru Kitteh
(28,342 posts)Death by cop for being black in a park is real. Maybe you've heard.
maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)It was a possible outcome of her irresponsible actions, but it didn't happen, thankfully.
Instead, she got called out, globally, and lost her dog and her job. Next she'll get arrested for filing a false report.
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)If there is a street fight between me and Justin Bieber, he is simply going to suffer far fewer serious consequences that I would suffer. That is why I don't get into street fights or do other stupid stuff that can land me, this nobody, in trouble.
Does she deserve sympathy now that she has lost a pet and her job? To answer that, first think about what could have happened if a cop was nearby and took her accusations seriously, a Black man that had binoculars and maybe other bird watching stuff could have been tazed or shot.
maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)I still have mixed emotions about Internet Justice, like I do about using "Karen" as a derogatory term.
I agree with the man at the center of this incident:
"Chris Cooper told CBS2 the incident reflects a growing problem.
Its not just about her. She tapped into something thats pervasive in our society that we all really need to address, Chris Cooper said. We need to start treating each other as us rather than as other.'
Since being posted, Melody Coopers initial share of her brothers video of the incident has been watched online more than 31 million times."
Blue_true
(31,261 posts)I know the "whypipple" term, or whatever it is, that refer to any White person is off-putting to me, I am AA.
One would hope that she works to understand how serious her behavior was.
Maybe she is stressed out from her job and was out blowing off stream while letting her dog run around. But even then she could have said lots of other things, like "Mister, I am really stressed right now, can you not bother me?" She chose to do something that could resulted in a person being seriously harmed, for that it is difficult for me to feel any sympathy for her.
maxsolomon
(33,400 posts)Chris Cooper told CBS2 the incident reflects a growing problem.
Its not just about her. She tapped into something thats pervasive in our society that we all really need to address, Chris Cooper said. We need to start treating each other as us rather than as other.'
Catherine Vincent
(34,491 posts)Just think if a cop was in the area and rushed over right away and the outcome of that situation was injury or death of that innocent man. It saddens me just thinking about it. She was just pissed that a black man had the audacity to tell her to leash her mutt.
p.s. We all know she'll get a second chance and find a job pretty quick .
Cha
(297,655 posts)if she put Christian Cooper in mortal danger by falsely claiming he attacked her.
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Mahalo, mcar
Scarsdale
(9,426 posts)leash on before the police got there. She could have put it on when asked, and saved the poor dog a lot of grief. Poor thing was being strangled and she ignored him. Glad he has been taken from her. She should not have any animals, since she does not know how to treat them. Why is this not a hate crime? Causing all this because she was asked to do the correct thing. The consequences could have been life threatening, really.
Mariana
(14,860 posts)Well, she didn't ignore him completely. When he started to yelp in response to her abuse, she quickly moved the phone down closer to the dog, so the dispatcher would hear the dog's distress more clearly.
MontanaMama
(23,337 posts)Thank you for posting mcar. I took a break from the news this weekend to do a bunch of yard work.
And, good grief DUers...if you already knew about this prior to the OP, why click and leave the snark? Nobody has that coming.
mcar
(42,372 posts)I don't think anyone knew she'd been fired. The reporting before this was that she was suspended.
Yeah, the snark was unnecessary, especially given the issue at hand.
live love laugh
(13,129 posts)OldManTarHeel
(435 posts)Jus' kidding . . .
Yippee ! ! !
Miigwech
(3,741 posts)a quote from a plague rat
AllaN01Bear
(18,384 posts)Larissa
(790 posts)Phony 911 calls from people like Audubon Amy should be penalized with a stiff fine.
SMDH.
RVN VET71
(2,697 posts)She's mentally unstable, clearly. It's not her racism alone.
Something triggered Karen. Her reaction to the man's request that she follow the posted rules was bizarre. It was as if she was seeing a different event unfolding than the one we witnessed in the video.
Years ago there were two elderly women who shared a house on my block. One was quiet and withdrawn the other was paranoid and vocal. Her insurance agent -- who was also my family's insurance agent -- told us that he was driving to a client's house in the rain and happened to see her walking and getting wet despite her umbrella. So he pulled over and offered her a ride, calling to her by name and saying "It's me, Sam Smith (not his real name), your insurance agent. Can I give you a lift?" Her reaction was an angry panic: "Go away, you animal," he said she screamed at him. "I'm not some common pick-up!"
She called the police! This we knew because we had seen a squad car outside of her house on the very afternoon Sam was talking about. My Dad told him about the squad car and Sam laughed and said something about how weird his business could be. (She maintained the client-agent relationship and apparently never raised the issue with him!)
But the Point is, the old lady didn't see a man, a familiar face, offering her a chance to get out of the rain. She reacted because she apparently feared a sexual assault. Why? It certainly wasn't her physical allurements. She was just a coat of green make-up away from being the spitting image of the Witch of the West, only with a deeper scowl. Maybe she'd suffered an attack earlier in life, or maybe her sister or some other family member had and she was traumatized by it.
Whatever it was it made it impossible for her interpret what was actually happening when her insurance agent offered her a ride.
That's what I thought of when I watched "Karen" making a lying, racist, fool of herself as she was videoed.
kcr
(15,320 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)could vastly over-react to a simple situation due to mental illness.
RVN VET71
(2,697 posts)I meant to describe a woman I remember as mean and scowling who may, in fact, have revealed the reason for her means and her "resting" scowl by her inability to see a familiar face and to understand a kind gesture, instead going into into a panic and a rage.
That, in fact, is what I thought I had done. Sorry. If you misunderstood my intent, I obviously didn't make myself clear.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,431 posts)Blue_true
(31,261 posts)It would be nice to hear from people that know her or worked with her. The pressure of the situation that we are in could have gotten to her, but even that doesn't make what she did tolerable.
RobinA
(9,894 posts)Maybe she has been sexually assaulted in her life. Maybe she is currently being sexually assaulted by some one in her life. Maybe when he said she wouldnt like what he did to her she took it in a way that made sense to her, but wasnt what he intended at all.
Interesting how the you wont like what I do part of the story gets left out. Im not saying he meant to threaten her, but some women would definitely take that as a threat coming from a man.
marmar
(77,090 posts)IronLionZion
(45,528 posts)while black/brown males pay the ultimate price far too often.
Many minorities, gay people, and males have experienced horrible trauma/abuse in life without anyone even pretending to give a shit.
She probably does need some sort of treatment or therapy but it should never be an excuse to hurt others. White paranoia is a real problem that white individuals need to accept and fix.
I've had a white girlfriend who turned out to be a deeply oppressed professional victim of the patriarchy who definitely needed mental health treatment, so I'm familiar with the type of person who likes to think of herself as a victim while actually being an abuser to others. Those are 2 separate issues. White privilege is a third issue that has tremendous consequences and instant gratification. I love white women and have dated many. They've mostly been kind decent people except for this one.