Nakoula Basseley Nakoula's plan is to become a faux-political prisoner

[ck4829]

The guy is a convicted fraudster, people do change, but I don't think he did. Gosh, he even told the actors in the movie that the movie was called "Desert Warrior" that took place centuries before Islam happened and then was re-dubbed into "Innocence of Muslims". That's fraud in itself, which he can be held liable for.

So, the police took him in for questioning today, and people are already calling it persecution, stating he did not break any laws, and calling the Obama Administration Marxist for their actions... They don't read the part about he is on probation and he can't use the Internet.

He commits a fraud, police question if he violated his terms of his probation. Bam! That's Marxism! That's persecution! The anonymous death threats start rolling in, the conservative legal foundations begin suing the government, and Bill O'Reilly calls people pinheads. And it becomes more expensive defending the need to prosecute this guy for criminal activities than actually prosecuting him.

This was certainly not the only motive for this movie, but it can not be denied that Nakoula is trying to make himself a get out of jail free card.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/feds-interview-california-filmmaker-nakoula-basseley-nakoula-linked-anti-islam-movie-la-sheriff-article-1.1160330
http://blogs.laweekly.com/informer/2012/09/nakoula_basseley_nakoula_questioned_federal_probation_bank_fraud.php

[graham4anything]

1. one should jail him just for his LIE that he was Jewish and to incite riots.

He is NOT a film maker. He is NOT Jewish.

He could be the one that leads to millions of deaths if someone presses the button.

He should be hung for treason after being found guilty.

Of course the teapartylibertarianrepublicans like this guy. Which is why never again should anyone elect a republican tea party libertarian. Seems simple to me.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

6. What crime has he actually committed?

Note that violation of parole conditions is not a crime.

Alternatively if someone with no criminal record had done what he has done, what crime should they be charged with? Your claim of treason is pure hyperbole.


That said, he and his co-participants should be shunned and shamed. Extremely offensive social misdeeds can and should have serious consequences.

[graham4anything]

8. so from now on, all evil just has to say they were ACTING or creating...

and the leading man was Adolf Hitler doing a play that included some ovens and showers

Maybe Coward Tim (let's give a shout out to Oklahama City) was just doing a mime act?

And well, the artists were painting a live picture when they strung Mathew S. up


SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

any new evil person can just say da constitution da constitution and freedom of speech
and that they are performance artists doing a bit(routine) and therefore they are legally
within their rights

(after all, with the gun nuts saying everyone should be allowed to conceal and carry, all they have to do is say Hey, Abey Babby was infringing on my rights so bang in the theatre(and Booth after all was an actor!!!)

and well the asswipe that killed John Lennon was trying to become famous after all, therefore by this logic, he was ACTING!!!

or Coward Tim said let's kill the babies because my rights were violated

and Lee harvey well, conceptual performing artist

and James Earl was creating a word picture

and OBL, was just designing a new building

yeah, as Tommy Flanagan would say "that's the ticket"

Good gravy.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

9. Have anything rational and not just hyperbole?

The film did not call for violence. Those who made the film did not commit any direct violence either. It did poke mulims hard. So did Piss Christ to the catholics, and comedians making pedo priest jokes.

The films producers should rightly be shunned and shammed. Social consequences for bad social conduct.

[ck4829]

10. And legal ones too

He's not allowed to access the Internet as part of his probation agreement. Unless 'Sam Bocile' is a different person, then that is just what he did.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

13. That is a common restriction on white collar criminals on parole

and subject to his parole officer approving access (its not absolute)

Note that he is not the only person behind the movie. What have they done that is not legal?

[graham4anything]

11. you seem to think this guy is a professional director or film maker. No, he was not.

so quit trying to be his friend when he has nothing to do with any freedom of speech at all.

and all your other examples are just poor flailings in the wind.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

16. I am not defending him, but I am being rational

Your analogies were specious and remain so. Your claims are still hyperbole

I am defending US style free speech, nothing more.

I think the people responsible should be shunned and shammed, but they have not broken any US law. One of them may have violated their parole restrictions.

[MNBrewer]

15. So, doing nothing beyond things you don't like...

which is not a crime. If he violated his parole, he should go back to jail. If he defrauded "investors" or the cast and crew in the making of the "film", then prosecute him for fraud, but making a film that is blasphemous is a right that we here in the US should consider sacred.

[arcane1]

30. This post makes less sense the more times I read it

[EC]

12. Here's a link to the original movie

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/09/anti-muslim-film-poster.html

The poster looks to me to be a call to action for Muslims to want revenge. Why else would it be in Arabic saying that Bin Laden was innocent and the movie had proof. Then the movie itself was a hit piece against Mohamed.


It was meant to trick Muslims to watch it and to get angry. Just like that crazy preacher burning the Karin just to "prove" Islam is a violent religion.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

17. Its trash...but it is also protected speech in the US

Doesn't mean we can't shun and shame those responsible for it.

[graham4anything]

22. don't give me this freedom of speech crap, because...

and again, as I said this to you before

if someone in a theatre yells fire and a panic insues and someone dies
the person can be charged with manslaughter
end of story.

and anyone stupid enough to make any odd remark at an airport or on a plane, even as a joke will be arrested (at best) and even moreso, if other passengers feel like it, that person will be beaten up, and possibly hurt by the ensuing mob, and the only one arrested will be the person who made the remark. It is ZERO TOLERANCE on a plane, and no other person would face charges as they were just attempting to subdue the perp.

so don't give me the crap about freedom of speech, when the law says not everything is free speech

after 9-11, things changed. And we are in a new world, and NO that is not a bad term like the conspiracy theory nuts say. This isn't the 1800s.

Sinister is this person, and the other abetters of this person, claiming to be Jewish, which was done solely for political reasons, and to incite what it incites. (As if there isn't enough prejudice against Jews in the world to start off with, and the freakin' stereotypes about all of Hollywood being Jewish).
Wise up.

And Jewish people go out of their way to give people allowances for freedom of speech, because we have been persecuted for centuries, however, that doesn't mean this is a freedom of speech issue.

Personally, I do think those that spew hate talk should in general be responsible, like sanctions against Rush and Sean when people who listen to them go and do something after the entertainer that Rush is says so to get good ratings(like Daschle when after the rightwing called him all sort of names for not going along with 43, and then was given 'thrax after he and he could have died.)


again, if you think anything is free speech, next time you are on an airline, test it out.
It isn't. And it's a good thing too IMHO.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

25. You keep posting hyperbole but no facts

What other people do you believe were involved and what is your proof that they are xtians claiming to be jews?

The "yelling fire" analogy is specious as many others have pointed out previously.

The USCS section on incitement clearly does not cover the film. Besides that section does not have "long arm" status.

Any rational analysis shows that the movie is clearly protected speech. Still looking for any semblance of a credible citation from you as to what criminal laws were broken.

As I have posted previously, the film is noxious trash. All of those responsible for it (whomever they are) should be shunned and shamed. However, I have not seen any credible posting of crimes that its production and distribution constituted. There may be civil issues with the actors and parole violation for one of the participants, but that seems to be about it.

[Scootaloo]

26. What would you call...

Hiring actors to make a film... then in post-production, dubbing over their acting with material that they not only find objectionable, but also never agreed to? Seems it would be a form of fraud to me, similar to a publishing company re-writing a book but leaving the author's name on it.

There's also the filming without a permit problem... Though if I understand right, that's just a civil misdemeanor.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

28. I would call it a potential civil tort

There are opinions on both sides if the post process violated the actors contract. Either way it is civil, not criminal

There was at least one permit...how real the contents were is hard to tell since public access to it has been pulled.

Even though those baying for blood, criminal charges, or deportation are wrong, its still quite noxious and those responsible should be shunned and shammed.

[jsr]

2. A con man for the cons

[malaise]

3. Violation of probation rules is a crime

Fuck Fux!

[frazzled]

7. Exactly

In 2010, Nakoula pleaded no contest to federal charges of bank fraud in California and was ordered to pay $794,701 in restitution. According to Assistant U.S. Attorney Jennifer Leigh Williams, Nakoula opened bank accounts using stolen identities and Social Security numbers, including one belonging to a 6-year-old child,[3] and deposited checks from those accounts to withdraw at ATMs.[14] He was also sentenced to 21 months in federal prison. Nakoula had requested an Arabic interpreter be used during his criminal proceedings.[2] Nakoula was released from prison in June 2011.[15] He was ordered not to use computers or the Internet for five years without approval from his probation officer.[4] Nakoula was released from a halfway house a few weeks before he filmed Innocence of Muslims.[16]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakoula_Basseley_Nakoula

[ProgressiveProfessor]

18. Actually it is not but it can result in the same thing...time in the slammer

Nakoula did not do this alone. What crimes did the others commit?

[malaise]

19. Thanks for the clarification

I don't know about the crimes committed by the others.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

21. Nakoula was not the only person involved in this...though some are choosing to focus on him

exclusively.

No one has yet shown any viable criminal charges against anyone involved in its production.

[graham4anything]

23. yes, other Christians posing as Jews were also involved...

and btw, fraud was committed against the entire cast and crew in that what they were contracted for, was not what was done. Thereby putting them in danger of revenge attacks.

THOSE people are actors and professionals, falsely hired.

There are union rules. (assuming there was a legit contract.)

It should be aired in court, because if nothing else, the perps faces will have to be shown.

and again, for the nth time, you can't yell fire in a theatre or say certain remarks at an airport or on a plane. The plane example is perfect, because post 9-11, the passengers themselves may just kill anyone stupid enough to make certain remarks, and the only one who would be in trouble would be the idiot who said it.
The passengers would be in their right and be called heroes stopping a terrorist event.

So that would be the perfect example. Roll on as the (fabled) story about the passengers on that one plane on 9-11.

[ProgressiveProfessor]

24. Any proof of that? Any reason to bring religion into this further?

There may or may not be civil torts but what potential CRIMINAL charges are viable against them (whomever they may be) other than the potential parole violation against Nakoula?

[graham4anything]

31. religion is a major part of the story- the guy & his backers are racists & anti-semites

matter of fact, if not for religion there would be no story here
the guy plainly tried to say it was produced by Jews and no Jew was involved in it at all
Just rightwing extreme Christians

[dballance]

4. Okay, so let him loose on his own

Justice will most likely be done.

[CJCRANE]

5. The freepers and tea partiers love fraudsters...

where would they be without them? They would have to engage in rational discussion without the likes of Orly Taitz, Dinesh D'Souza etc. to back up their prejudices and delusions.

[cthulu2016]

14. I promise you, post-production on a film is not Fraud.

Changing a film in post-production is not fraud against the actors unless they have a contract to that effect.

Period.

All day long.

[CJCRANE]

20. He was convicted of bank fraud (unrelated to the movie). nt

[Scootaloo]

27. No? That's kind of interesting

I mean we're not talking about altering skin complexion or sound quality.

We're talking about hiring a guy to play a character named George... and then George becomes Mohammed, Prophet of Islam, unrepentant goat-rapist, who now looks just like the guy hired to play someone named George.

Though I wouldn't be surprised by a total and utter lack of anything resembling a contract involved here. It was likely "hey, want to make ten bucks real fast?"

[Swede Atlanta]

29. As far as I know...he has committed no crime with respect to the movie but.....

he should be on his own as to his free speech claim. If you claim something that may make some folks upset then live with it. I have zero sympathy for this low-life scumbag. He deserves whatever comes to him.

[graham4anything]

32. Trayvon committed NO crime either but was shot to death in cold blood

while the gun loons and the rightwing calls Zimmerman a hero

just as an example

in a country where loons think their rights say they can own a zillion bullets and billions of guns when in fact nowhere does it say it

inciting a riot, yelling fire in a theatre, saying words at an airport, just a few examples where freedom of speech don't apply, all of which are relevant to this case, no matter what armchair lawyers here might say