If zygotes are people, do they need a passport?

[Progressive dog]

I did not realize until today that even American infants require passports to travel abroad. Since the fundies want to define zygotes as people, will this mean that they also require a passport? Would their passport photo come from an ultrasound? Would the photo have to be verified at the border by another ultrasound? Would an American who returned pregnant from overseas potentially be arrested for trying to smuggle an illegal alien?

[treestar]

1. good question

I had the thought too why don't they have funerals for miscarriages? That was a person after all.

Plus they should have social security numbers assigned.

and child support (I think some states do have laws for support during pregnancy).

[alphafemale]

4. Some people do I think.

Especially if it was later in the pregnancy.

It would be hard to even find the embryo in an early miscarriage when most occur.

Especially if the couple let everyone around them know right away they were pregnant this might be really hard.

But it's not required by any standard, even in late miscarriages when there is a dead fetus, recognizable as human to HAVE a funeral or treat it as a human death in any way.

I'm not sure I would have wanted to see I child I had wanted just have their body thrown in with medical waste and incinerated. People do have ceremonies and funerals in those circumstances quite often.

[treestar]

15. I can see that

though if you go by the Paul Ryan definition, you'd think they do it for any zygote not making it to full term, even if unrecognizable yet as a person. That's the problem, they refuse to put that line at any place where it's sort of vague, but we all just sort of know - 7 months pregnant and it's a person you are thinking of and with the technology today, even have a name for, but three months and that's not really so. Yet Ryan and the gang say it all starts right at conception and that one celled being is as much a baby as the one lost at 7 months or the ones actually born.

[etherealtruth]

2. No , but any pregnant woman

would immediately lose her right to travel!

[Tikki]

3. And a Social Security card....in Arizona one should be issued two weeks before..

you are conceived.



Tikki

[quaker bill]

7. In fact it must be a pre-condition for having sex.

Just in case.

[dixiegrrrrl]

11. So if you have a period 2 weeks later, is that manslaughter?

[redqueen]

13. I wish I could see that as a joke.

http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2010/02/15/its-illegal-37-states-for-a-pregnant-woman-fall-down-stairs
Iowa is one of 37 states with a feticide law on the books, a number that has increased in recent years "because of a growing movement by some conservatives to target providers of late abortion, such as Dr. George Tiller, and to protect "unborn victims of violence,"" a back-door effort to create a status of "personhood" for the fetus separate from its mother before it is viable.


http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-6255683-504083.html
Everyone agrees on the following: last month, following an argument with her husband, Christine Taylor fell down a set of stairs in her home outside of Des Moines. Following the fall, she visited the emergency room. While there she said something to medical personnel that they believed meant she had intended to harm the fetus with the fall. The police arrived and interrogated her, and Johnson was arrested and jailed.

[dixiegrrrrl]

14. I wish I had meant that as a joke, but I did not

for the same reason as your clippings show.

[IggleDoer]

5. If zygotes are people ...

... why don't any "pro-life" folks take the zygote as a tax deduction, even if they don't deliver the baby until the next year?

[porphyrian]

6. Only if they want to vote in Pennsylvania. n/t

[Autumn]

8. If I move to AZ and prove that I was conceived in Canada,

could I be deported so that I could go home?

[randome]

9. More importantly, how would TSA 'pat them down'?

[BumRushDaShow]

10. When I was growing up, we had a "family passport"

all of us in the one pic.

The extremists never think things through. They only narrow-focus based on raw emotion.

The issue of a Social Security number is something that might be interesting to use against the "personhood" nonsense. And if they balk that such would be some sort of "exception" and wouldn't go into effect until the child is "born", then that should be an impetus to attack them further.

[HopeHoops]

12. Maybe. But we should at least get a tax deduction for a zygote dependent.