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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhen someone is handcuffed lying face down, you don't have to kneel on their neck.
You can hold them down with your hands and arms on their back, shoulders. Cased closed.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)That is what has been missed in all of this. Floyd was cuffed and laying face down on the pavement. There was zero reason for that murderer to ignore all of the people who were TELLING him he was MURDERING the man.
In_The_Wind
(72,300 posts)pnwest
(3,266 posts)he was enjoying the monent. Its unspeakable.
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(108,010 posts)Brainfodder
(6,423 posts)I can think of a motive or two or three.
Too many movies and crime scene shows, perhaps, Dexter fan? Definitely.
LiberalArkie
(15,716 posts)Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,716 posts)He waited outside on the hood of his car. The police came by. The officer and Floyd knew each other from working at the club. Clubs are very good places to pass fake money. There is more to the story than 3 cops killing someone that the lead cop knew.
Counterfieting money could be the thing.
Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)The police didn't just 'come by'. They were called.
I've haven't seen a single piece of evidence that makes me think that the officer and victim knew each other.
I have no idea whether or not clubs are very good places to pass money. I'll defer to you on that.
Maybe there is more to the story...please share.
LiberalArkie
(15,716 posts)to be arrested on the hood of his car.
The club owner said that they both worked security at the club on alternate nights.
Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)That's quite the tangled web.
LiberalArkie
(15,716 posts)Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)The notion that the officer murdered Floyd because Floyd was exposing a counterfeiting ring that they were both involved in is preposterous.
LiberalArkie
(15,716 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,716 posts)Charged Minn. cop used 'overkill' tactics as nightclub guard
A white Minneapolis police officer and the black suspect he's charged with killing both worked as security guards at the same Latin nightclub but its former owner says shes not sure they knew each other
https://www.fox9.com/news/crying-all-day-couple-who-employed-george-floyd-mourns-his-death
Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)That's just like you and me.
We don't know if they knew each other either.
Hav
(5,969 posts)The account from the store is they don't know why Floyd was still there, Floyd might not even have known about the fake bill or he was waiting there to make things right. The store owner said that many who present fake bills don't even know about it and the police only wants to know where the person got it from.
Regarding working at the same place, that could be just a coincidence. The owner of that place couldn't even say how well they knew each other as Chauvin worked there off-duty and outside while Floyd worked inside.
fishwax
(29,149 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,716 posts)Last edited Fri May 29, 2020, 04:26 PM - Edit history (1)
worked with. Why didn't Floyd just give the store owner a good 20 and tear up the bad one. All the store owner is interested in is not getting stuck with phony money. I think until Floyd was killed
The Wizard
(12,545 posts)a deliberate attempt to injure. His foot is positioned to exert pressure on his victims neck. If he was just restraining the suspect his foot would not be bent so as to exert maximum pressure. It seems like trivia, but the devil is in the details.
malaise
(269,022 posts)Grins
(7,217 posts)What startled me the most: Chauvin has his knee on George Floyds neck - and has his hand in his pocket!
If Floyd was resisting, why would a cop do that?
He wouldnt. And thats why it is murder in the second.
coti
(4,612 posts)Why would that be?
RussBLib
(9,019 posts)but it's a dark glove in front of dark pants. Maybe it's just resting on his leg. No matter, really.
What bugs me is the cops telling Floyd, "Get up! Get in the car!" when Floyd is handcuffed on the ground, with the frikkin' knee in his neck. That is some fucked up shit.
chowder66
(9,070 posts)the scream Stop Resisting!
RussBLib
(9,019 posts)Floyd was a big man, but a couple of tasers could have probably calmed things down.
Wonder if we will see the body cams and hear the recordings of the other cops who did not seem to intervene. I don't understand how those three could just stand there, or kneel there, and not try to intervene even a little.
DeminPennswoods
(15,286 posts)senior officer on the scene. Maybe the other officers didn't believe they could countermand a ranking officer.
Hav
(5,969 posts)has apparently a heart condition and said he didn't feel well before being put on the ground with his arms handcuffed behind the back.
I don't think there is any need for a discussion whether a taser was needed.
SoonerPride
(12,286 posts)That is not appropriate under any circumstances.
Ever.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)+100
pwb
(11,275 posts)He liked it.